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By "a lot", I meant that I have seen several (i cant count the number if times, but at least more than 10) people in the Army use personal AR uppers while deployed, and zero in the Marines. It's really easy to spot when the upper receiver has "BCM" or other company's logos such as Spikes Tactical.

The last time I was in Iraq, I saw a guy in the Army at one of the bases about an hour away (by truck) from Waleed with a MK12 Mod 1 upper on an M4 lower. I was curious because the MK12 upper had a LaRue rail system, and not the KAC system. He said it was his own that he built and got permission to take it with him on the deployment.
 

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Cool info. Maybe vvv or punisher can weigh in. Suprising. Of course considering how many soldiers you saw you're probably talking maybe 6 in several thousand? or maybe 1/100? (Obviously I don't know but yeah, the Army seems to do business a bit differently)

Thanks for the insight.
 

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So, when MLP patches are forbidden, does that mean Morale Patches are forbidden too?
 

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MLP?

Officially "morale" patches were never authorized. Depends on your chain of commend whether the regulation is enforced or not. There are a lot of things going on in a combat zone that take precedence (e.g. you'll seee conventional soldiers occasionally unshaven though you are supposed to shave daily). The closer you are to the FOB, the less likely you will be able to get aways with minor infractions like this.
 

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So, when MLP patches are forbidden, does that mean Morale Patches are forbidden too?
I assume you are speaking of the "my little pony" epidemic? These patches have been addressed by the pentagon directly and also "non-standard" military patches. Regular morale patches dont seem to be much of an issue depending on the chain of command as Will noted. The MLP patches on the other hand are getting some serious negitive feedback and causing a stir within the units. Here's one of the articles.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/18/military-my-little-pony-fan-club/#ixzz210n1iEOz

Personally, I really dont care what kind of "fun" patch you wear outside the wire...As long as you do your job. But the Specialist in that photo needs to be stomped on by his Chain of Command for unauthorized uniform and being a general @$$clown.
 

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/18/military-my-little-pony-fan-club/#ixzz210n1iEOz

Personally, I really dont care what kind of "fun" patch you wear outside the wire...As long as you do your job. But the Specialist in that photo needs to be stomped on by his Chain of Command for unauthorized uniform and being a general @$$clown.
And you know, there were plenty of people at that get together who now think that it's OK for Soldiers to wear their uniform like that. I mean, there's an example right there, right?
 

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You know what that reminds me of? Some years ago, some photos popped up showing US Soldiers in Iraq on patrol and the photos where taken on a break and not only where they smoking, no they had removed their helmets and where only wearing the body armor over T-shirts and having the ACU sleeves rolled up and one of the guys had rows of 40mm grenades attached to his vest, pointed up and all.

These photos where posted a Militaryphotos net and a lot of people went ape**** over them, specially the older vets. One went so far to say that they where a disgrace and that if they would have been the platoon Sergeant they would have been scrubbing toilets for not properly wearing uniform etc.

Here they are:





I dont think anything of this is regal. I also dont see how this will effect how well they will fight. I did hear that rolling up sleeves was banned because you get sunburned, so does that mean the US Army is no longer supplying sun blockers like they did back in NAM?

Anyway, point is, if these soldiers could get away with that above, I dont think My Little Pony patches are a really big deal.

Anyway, gotta question: Afghanistan is mighty cold in the winter, what sort of Winter clothing is used? I mean, I did see Marines in Desert MARPAT in the snow once and was wondering what happened to the Extended Cold Weather Gear.
 

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Zero - The pictures seemed "posed" to me. Wall too clean, troops too clean, ammo too shiny, freshly shaven.

That said one can catch troops in various stages of underess at any point. They don't typically fight that way...



Rolling sleeves past the elbow is an issue (I always balk at "banned" because it has so many connotations). The fact is if one is climbing mountains, clearing rooms, moving a lot etc. that extra protection saves a bunch of scrapes and bruises.

You may not understand why little things make a difference but considering how many comments there were in the thread you mentioned it appears a lot of vets tend to think so. It's very hard to explain the discipline one has to have in front line combat units and I don't want to argue. It is what it is. I suggest watching Restrepo and observing how troops dresed at the OP vs. how they looked on patrol.

There is no "I" in Team...
 

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****Disclaimer: I'm not trying to attack you or offend anyone. These are my personal opinions and observations****

Once again, outside the wire and being in garrison are two different things when talking about a uniform ESPECIALLY when in public. Did I ever where my Bullsh*t meter patch in public? -No. That would be incredibly tacky and completely unauthorized especially if I had it as a large full color patch where my UNIT patch is supposed to be (as the dirt bag in the above photo has).

To comment on youre photos of unauthorized uniforms in a COMBAT ZONE, I too had failed to meet the standard on more than one occasion. At one point, I was dressed wearing boots with no socks, PT shorts, NO t-shirt, body armor and ammo, helmet w/NVGs, and a 240. The reason being is that is what I could grab when my FOB was attacked (not mortared, but attacked) and that is how I left the wire on a makeshift QRF that we scrammbled together. IIRC, that is a similair story to what happened with the guy in Will's pic above. The other pics with the soldiers just wearing t-shirts and helmets unfasted, I can only guess that: A. they wanted to take "cool guy" photos or B. they simply didnt care enough and their chain of command might have had other things to worry about such as focusing on the fight.

The issue with the MLP patches and "bronies", as they call themselves, is more of an internal conflict for units. Most morale patches are exactly that: MORALE patches. MLP patches represent an ideaology of a particular group which becomes a HUGE target for fellow soldiers who are not in the same group of watching little kid cartoons (designed for little girls) of love, hugs, and happyness. I'm sure it will only be a matter of time untill a "bronie" screams about a hate crime because some grunt called him a name for his MLP patch. In line units, the jokes are dirty, the teasing is unrelenting, and the ideaology is to destroy anyone who opposes you and your friends. There is little room for groups of "men" who praise and adore a little girl's TV show that aired 30 years ago. BUT, if said men decide to embrace that ideaology, then they better be able to take the flak that they are sure to recieve, do their job, and wear the proper uniform just like everyone else.
 

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ZeroDelta- As for the cold weather question, I found this website that gives a fairly good example of the different layers of the issued clothing - ECWCS (Extended Climate Warfighter Clothing System) refered to at "Ekwiks". You can click on the different levels of it that you want to see and it shows a pic and good description on how/why it is worn. Hope this helps!
http://www.adsinc.com/solutions/clothing-programs/gen-iii-ecwcs/
 

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I'm still a little confused why people would want to bring their own uppers, but I have heard of it happening.

Matthew, that MP looks like he has an M16 upper on an M4 lower. The rails are too long for it to be a midlength upper with the front site post that far foreward. This is kind of interesting though since, IIRC, the M4 buffer and M16 buffer are different weight and size.
 

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I'm still a little confused why people would want to bring their own uppers, but I have heard of it happening.

Matthew, that MP looks like he has an M16 upper on an M4 lower. The rails are too long for it to be a midlength upper with the front site post that far foreward. This is kind of interesting though since, IIRC, the M4 buffer and M16 buffer are different weight and size.
Agreed, just never actually seen anyone do it, which is why I thought it was interesting. I don't quite understand why they allowed things like this when it could effect the 'functionality' of the weapons during combat.
 

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There is little room for groups of "men" who praise and adore a little girl's TV show that aired 30 years ago.
FWIW, the brony phenomenon was caused by a recent show called My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. The reason the show's been such a hit is that the show creator started with two ideas:

- Adults and supervising teens have to watch little kids' programming, too, so they shouldn't be totally bored watching it
- Just because it's a show aimed at girls doesn't mean it has to be "girly"

I haven't watched a lot the show, but I've seen enough to say it succeeds at both of those, and is good enough that an adult of either gender can watch and enjoy it with or without a child. I think some of the bronies take it way past "fan" and into "wild-eyed OCD fanatic" territory, but I guess that's true of fans of anything.

None of the above excuses what that National Guard guy did, of course. Even as a civilian, it seems exceptionally disrespectful to the uniform and the institution to wear that patch in public.
 
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