[JTFazz]

I just picked up SEALs in Vietnam by Eric Micheletti and looking through the pix, I saw a SEAL carrying what Micheletti described as a rare T233 assault rifle. My Internet searches come up with nada on this. I found several at world.guns.ru that look like it, but can't say for sure. Definitely nothing with that T233 name, however.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

 

[Alyasha]

HK G3.
DML makes one.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as12-e.htm

 

[blake_13]

Read a discussion about this gun a while back . It is in fact an early version of the HK33. I was told that during vietnam these guns were imported by Harrington & Richhards and sold as the t223.

 

[JTFazz]

Read a discussion about this gun a while back . It is in fact an early version of the HK33. I was told that during vietnam these guns were imported by Harrington & Richhards and sold as the t223.

Okay, the HK 33 is one that I saw over at guns.world.ru that I suspected. Interesting there are no references I could find by that name... T233.

Thanks, Blake.

 

[Steiner77]

As Blake_13 says above it's the HK33(5.56mm) the G3 is 7.62mm. The T223 might come from 223cal.(5.56) just speculating on this though.

 

[Longhorn92]

I believe Blake is correct. I read a good article--it may have been in a book--about the use of the T223. They were either made under license or imported--I'm not sure which--by Harrington and Richardson in the sixties. They are basically 5.56 HK33's.

IIRC the few pics I've seen it in use by SEALs were stateside training exercises at Camp Niland or one of the other places where SEALs conducted pre-deployment training.

 

[Alyasha]

D'oh ... Should not have edited my first post.

I got confused by the round looking foregrip in the picture.
Most of the G33's seemed to have more boxy foregrips.

Interesting info.
Guess thats why I stick to fiction customs. :O

 

[grizzerr]

That's what is commonly referred to as the jungle forend.

 

[Kuroi]

Interesting stuff.

 

[Shaun1162]

Interesting stuff.

Very...Now I'm tempted to make a bash with it!

 

[AirCommando]

JTFazz, I would recommend finding (if you can) a copy of the book Special Warfare Special Weapons, the Arms and Equipment of the UDT and SEALs from 1943 to the presentby Kevin Dockery

 

[The Saint]

JTFazz, I would recommend finding (if you can) a copy of the book Special Warfare Special Weapons, the Arms and Equipment of the UDT and SEALs from 1943 to the presentby Kevin Dockery

Great book indeed. It contains pictures and data of knives, handguns, SMGs, rifles, and grenades used by the Seals.

AC,
There was talks of a follow-up on the heavier stuff (Stoner, M60 variations, &c.), Have you heard about that ?

Eric

 

[AirCommando]

Great book indeed. It contains pictures and data of knives, handguns, SMGs, rifles, and grenades used by the Seals.

AC,
There was talks of a follow-up on the heavier stuff (Stoner, M60 variations, &c.), Have you heard about that ?

Eric

Eric,
I asked the UDT/SEAL museum if they knew anything about the "follow-on" book and I don't think any one knows. It almost sounds like there might have been bad blood between the staff and Mr Dockery over the first book (speculation on my part). I wonder if Mr Dockery has his own web site.
Nearly made it out the house when I remembered this book. It might be Mr Dockery's all encompassing book on SEAL weapons, it's called Weapons of the Navy SEALs, published back in 04. Not as well illustrated as the other book but it does have its fair share of photographs (more text though).

Craig

 

[JTFazz]

JTFazz, I would recommend finding (if you can) a copy of the book Special Warfare Special Weapons, the Arms and Equipment of the UDT and SEALs from 1943 to the presentby Kevin Dockery

Thanks, Craig. Just ordered it from Amazon for $4.

Ty

 

[filupe]

The follow up book was titled, 'Rapid Fire Weapons of the US Navy SEALS' it was on pre-order at Amazon.com for ages then quietly got pulled. An associate who has some correspondence with Mr. Dockery claimed it *was* published - but I never followed it up.
His first weapons book is excellent - I wish someone would write that sort of book for the SAS.

 

[The Saint]

Craig and filupe, thanks for the info.

His first weapons book is excellent - I wish someone would write that sort of book for the SAS.

Don't tell me that a book on SAS weapons doesn't exist ? I haven't bought a book on the SAS for a while, being somehow tired of "Encyclopedia of", "Fighting Skills of", "I married a ...", but there's certainly something on the subject among the score ?

Edit : looks like we always manage to turn those 1:1 threads off topic. Sorry for that, Ty.

 

[JTFazz]

Craig and filupe, thanks for the info.

Don't tell me that a book on SAS weapons doesn't exist ? I haven't bought a book on the SAS for a while, being somehow tired of "Encyclopedia of", "Fighting Skills of", "I married a ...", but there's certainly something on the subject among the score ?

Edit : looks like we always manage to turn those 1:1 threads off topic. Sorry for that, Ty.

No worries... my question was answered and I certainly enjoy the banter as long as its relevant.

:banana

 

[GUNSLINGER]

if you check out weaponology : navy seals (replaying this sunday too) on military channel, i think they talked about using 7.62 ammo, so they used hk33 (plausible deniability). i think they just figrued, ak47 is robust and plentiful, and also provide deniability.

 

[AirCommando]

According to Dockery's book, the T223 use was a result of a US Army Small Arms Weapons Study (SAWS) back in 64-66 that pitted various make weapons against each other. The T223's 40 round magazine appealed to the SEALs even though the T223 was .9 lbs heavier than an empty M16E1.

 

[blake_13]

if you check out weaponology : navy seals (replaying this sunday too) on military channel, i think they talked about using 7.62 ammo, so they used hk33 (plausible deniability). i think they just figrued, ak47 is robust and plentiful, and also provide deniability.

The HK33 is .223/5.56 not 7.62