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Very cool Tim. Glad to see more progress on this piece.
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Wow,That's an awesome APC!!!
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It looks great Tim!
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I think it looks really good. I look forward to seeing more of this one in the future.
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overall Length 15.96'
overall Width 8.82'
no track
shrouds Width 8.33'
overall Height 8.19'
hull top
Height 6'
Ground Clearance 16.1"
A few more dimensions to add to the confusion (mine anyway
). I always seem to have problems pictureing things in 1/6th scale so I hope this helps someone else too!
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If this is sucessful it will be followed this fall by a Russian BRDM scout car.
Tim (plasticpanzers)
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Good work Tim, you guys did a great job.
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YO Tim ! ,
Garry , here ,from the late Great State of Florida , AKA the GUNTRUCKER on the 6th D MB , and THE HIGHWAYMAN everywhere else . As you may remember I'm ALSO the NUMBAH #2 FAN of the tanks by the now defunct AWC / PLASTICALLY ANYTHING COMPANY . MEDEEVL , also of the 6TH D MB is the NUMBAH #1 Fan hands down !!!
Anywho , with apologies to the Mods , are you going to be selling the running gear for the M113 separately , and if so for how much ? The reason that I'm asking is that if you ARE planning to do so you've got a sale , depending on the price As I want to up-grade the scratchbuilt M113 APC FSV that I did a couple of years ago with a new set of running gear .
Also , even though I know that you've said that you want to keep these , and your other vehicles in the " Family " , with the M113 it might be time to sell them on E-bay . As James D. has been doing for years with his vehicles .
I KNOW that you're short-handed when it comes to doing these vehicles , but if you don't mind me making a suggestion here . You could always do what's been done by other vendors in the past . Half down , when you place your order , and the balance within let's say six weeks , or so .
Please keep in mind that I'm NOT trying to tell you how to run your Business when I say this , but selling them on E-bay WOULD let a wider Audience know that somebody is FINALLY making the M113's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's something that is LONG over due !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMK what's up with the running gear for the M113 , and we'll go on from there !
Garry
Garry , here ,from the late Great State of Florida , AKA the GUNTRUCKER on the 6th D MB , and THE HIGHWAYMAN everywhere else . As you may remember I'm ALSO the NUMBAH #2 FAN of the tanks by the now defunct AWC / PLASTICALLY ANYTHING COMPANY . MEDEEVL , also of the 6TH D MB is the NUMBAH #1 Fan hands down !!!
Anywho , with apologies to the Mods , are you going to be selling the running gear for the M113 separately , and if so for how much ? The reason that I'm asking is that if you ARE planning to do so you've got a sale , depending on the price
As I want to up-grade the scratchbuilt M113 APC FSV that I did a couple of years ago with a new set of running gear .Also , even though I know that you've said that you want to keep these , and your other vehicles in the " Family " , with the M113 it might be time to sell them on E-bay . As James D. has been doing for years with his vehicles .
I KNOW that you're short-handed when it comes to doing these vehicles , but if you don't mind me making a suggestion here . You could always do what's been done by other vendors in the past . Half down , when you place your order , and the balance within let's say six weeks , or so .
Please keep in mind that I'm NOT trying to tell you how to run your Business when I say this , but selling them on E-bay WOULD let a wider Audience know that somebody is FINALLY making the M113's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's something that is LONG over due !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMK what's up with the running gear for the M113 , and we'll go on from there !
Garry
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M113 Trivia
Just a few musings....I worked with M113 A2 and A3 versions while in the Army and had alot of fun doing it. The large slab on the nose covering the engine compartment is called a "trim vane" and was hinged at the bottom to swing out and forward. It was held there by two bi-fold arms ...one at each top corner. The trim vanes were almost always made of a thick wood slab painted OD green like the hull. The idea was this. M113's could swim, but lightly loaded they had about 12 inches of freeboard (the part sticking out of the water) when they swam. Because the frontal armor angled down, forward motion caused the nose to "dive" into the water....NOT GOOD! The trim vane gave the front a false boat bow that kept the nose up while driving through the water...powered by water pushed by the cleats on the track. There were five plugs (three large and two small) in the bottom for draining water out after crossing because the rear hatch and ramp never would seal completely. No bilge pumps were fitted. Each of the five plugs was sealed by grease held in a groove around the inside edge of each of the plugs. I have a cute story about a mechanic who forgot to grease the plugs and sank my track at Lake Belton next to Ft Hood one sunny afternoon right after finishing a power egg replacement! "What's that gurgling sound?" was the last we heard from him after we hit the water (at speed to make a big splash)....before the track disappeared under water and he popped to the surface! Thank God all the upper hatches were open and we all got out. Guess who had to swim back out and attach the cables to her for the tow out? She may have been boxy and not very sexy, but we loved her just the same. I will always wish I had one more turn behind the lat-bars!!!
Just a few musings....I worked with M113 A2 and A3 versions while in the Army and had alot of fun doing it. The large slab on the nose covering the engine compartment is called a "trim vane" and was hinged at the bottom to swing out and forward. It was held there by two bi-fold arms ...one at each top corner. The trim vanes were almost always made of a thick wood slab painted OD green like the hull. The idea was this. M113's could swim, but lightly loaded they had about 12 inches of freeboard (the part sticking out of the water) when they swam. Because the frontal armor angled down, forward motion caused the nose to "dive" into the water....NOT GOOD! The trim vane gave the front a false boat bow that kept the nose up while driving through the water...powered by water pushed by the cleats on the track. There were five plugs (three large and two small) in the bottom for draining water out after crossing because the rear hatch and ramp never would seal completely. No bilge pumps were fitted. Each of the five plugs was sealed by grease held in a groove around the inside edge of each of the plugs. I have a cute story about a mechanic who forgot to grease the plugs and sank my track at Lake Belton next to Ft Hood one sunny afternoon right after finishing a power egg replacement! "What's that gurgling sound?" was the last we heard from him after we hit the water (at speed to make a big splash)....before the track disappeared under water and he popped to the surface! Thank God all the upper hatches were open and we all got out. Guess who had to swim back out and attach the cables to her for the tow out? She may have been boxy and not very sexy, but we loved her just the same. I will always wish I had one more turn behind the lat-bars!!!
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That's a great story.
Looks like you just became the official volunteer as the go-to guy for info on these babies. Great insight. :thumb
That's a great story.
Looks like you just became the official volunteer as the go-to guy for info on these babies. Great insight. :thumb
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Hiya, Tim, and everyone else!
You say your next vehicle might be a Soviet BRDM... which one? The front engined BRDM-1 or the rear engined BRDM-2? Either one would be sweet! If I may offer a possible vehicle, how about a deuce-and-a-half, either WWII CCKW or later M35? Just a chassis with a cab /fenders / hood would be great. The box is more than easy enough to fab up. Anyway, keep up the great work and look forward to seeing your offerings at WoH!
Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes
You say your next vehicle might be a Soviet BRDM... which one? The front engined BRDM-1 or the rear engined BRDM-2? Either one would be sweet! If I may offer a possible vehicle, how about a deuce-and-a-half, either WWII CCKW or later M35? Just a chassis with a cab /fenders / hood would be great. The box is more than easy enough to fab up. Anyway, keep up the great work and look forward to seeing your offerings at WoH!
Russ
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More Trivia?
Your next dose of "useless information" maybe? The driver sits front left (normal position for American vehicles) and has a flat weighted hatch cover. The hatch is counter weighted by a spring and there is an open lock latch. Fail to engage the latch and the driver is going to have a headache the first time he stops fast....and it really HURTS! His seat is on an elevation support that can drop the seat bottom to the lowest position with the pull of a handle under the seat. This allows the driver to "dive" down into the compartment if the vehicle comes under fire immediately and get his head below the hatch opening (works like alot of office chairs!). If the up-lock was worn or not fully engaged, you would be tooling along and the driver's head would instantly disappear when the lock let go. This was usually followed by alot of cursing over the intercom between the driver and vehicle commander....you see, the vision ports for the driver were small and hard to see out of. Imagine a 12-ton vehicle cruising along at 35 mph and all of a sudden the driver is disoriented! Another funny thing...the tracks on both sides may not have the same number of links in them. There could be two link differences...and this made the vehicle turn slowly in the direction of the short track without any input. The driver steered by two "lat-bars" or sticks between his legs. They controlled the brakes at the final drive. Pull one bar and the brake was applied to that side...the more you pull, the more brake. To stop straight ahead, pull both bars back evenly. A button on top of the lat-bar locked the bar to the rear (parking brake). Since the brakes were on the drive bogie (toothed wheel at the extreme front) and this bogie did not touch the ground, loosing a track was FUN!!! If the driver paniced, they would pull back on the lat-bars applying the brakes....but one side has no track and is NOT in road contact. The side with the track would brake but the other side would free-wheel on the idler bogies. The result is an instant 90 degree turn in the direction of the good track. If you were doing any speed, this means the vehicle would roll over on her side...or worse onto the roof. Seen it happen once...not a pretty sight.
Your next dose of "useless information" maybe? The driver sits front left (normal position for American vehicles) and has a flat weighted hatch cover. The hatch is counter weighted by a spring and there is an open lock latch. Fail to engage the latch and the driver is going to have a headache the first time he stops fast....and it really HURTS! His seat is on an elevation support that can drop the seat bottom to the lowest position with the pull of a handle under the seat. This allows the driver to "dive" down into the compartment if the vehicle comes under fire immediately and get his head below the hatch opening (works like alot of office chairs!). If the up-lock was worn or not fully engaged, you would be tooling along and the driver's head would instantly disappear when the lock let go. This was usually followed by alot of cursing over the intercom between the driver and vehicle commander....you see, the vision ports for the driver were small and hard to see out of. Imagine a 12-ton vehicle cruising along at 35 mph and all of a sudden the driver is disoriented! Another funny thing...the tracks on both sides may not have the same number of links in them. There could be two link differences...and this made the vehicle turn slowly in the direction of the short track without any input. The driver steered by two "lat-bars" or sticks between his legs. They controlled the brakes at the final drive. Pull one bar and the brake was applied to that side...the more you pull, the more brake. To stop straight ahead, pull both bars back evenly. A button on top of the lat-bar locked the bar to the rear (parking brake). Since the brakes were on the drive bogie (toothed wheel at the extreme front) and this bogie did not touch the ground, loosing a track was FUN!!! If the driver paniced, they would pull back on the lat-bars applying the brakes....but one side has no track and is NOT in road contact. The side with the track would brake but the other side would free-wheel on the idler bogies. The result is an instant 90 degree turn in the direction of the good track. If you were doing any speed, this means the vehicle would roll over on her side...or worse onto the roof. Seen it happen once...not a pretty sight.
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Trim Vane in Action
I found this picture on the web of the trim vane in action. Notice the "wet spots" along the side of the hull indicating how much of the vehicle was in the water and how much was not. Since this is a test vehicle, I can only imagine what it was carrying...but I bet it wasn't much. The water came all the way up to the bottom of the lights mounted on the front.
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I found this picture on the web of the trim vane in action. Notice the "wet spots" along the side of the hull indicating how much of the vehicle was in the water and how much was not. Since this is a test vehicle, I can only imagine what it was carrying...but I bet it wasn't much. The water came all the way up to the bottom of the lights mounted on the front.
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great job on the cardboard M113!! Looks great!! Thanks to all for the info. helps me alot as i am a WW2 fella, this "durn modurn stuf wrakes me brain"....LOL! This is Rich
Haro's project that he put alot of time and effort into. I am working on a full built and
painted piece now and should have it ready for him to take up to the Sacramento show
in a few weeks.
Tim (plasticpanzers)
Haro's project that he put alot of time and effort into. I am working on a full built and
painted piece now and should have it ready for him to take up to the Sacramento show
in a few weeks.
Tim (plasticpanzers)
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I worked on 113s a long time ago.The A1 is the Diesel version with Detroit Diesel 6V-71T. 6 cylinder 2 stroke turbocharged and noisy as hell.Original 113s had 383 Chrysler gasoline V-8s.The coolest version I ever saw (don't know the model) had a Vulcan 20mm Gatling gun mounted.Got to see it fire at night.One of the coolest things I ever saw.It also had flotation partitions added to the sides of the hull so it could still swim.The hulls are not steel,they are aluminum and easily penetrated.
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Hiya, Tank Mechanic, and others!
Original gas engine in the M113 was the Chrysler 75M, a militarized 360cid small block V8 putting out 209 horsepower. The 360 is actually a larger bore version of the 318cid v8. Chrysler modernized the engine in the 80's, leading to the modular engine series. 2 added cylinders gives you the Copperhead V10 and new heads gives you the current third generation Hemi. Anyway, I recall reading somewhere that FMC had a running gear test bed (a stripped out M113) that had a high performance 440cid big block in it. Now thats a hotrod!
The air defence version with the 20mm Gatling is the M163 Vulcan Air Defence system. Later addition of range-only-radar and automotive improvements led to the M163 PIVAD (Product Improved VAD). There are picture of regular M113's modded with rifle caliber Gatlings used as convoy support during Vietnam. Thats what I call deterrent!
Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes
Original gas engine in the M113 was the Chrysler 75M, a militarized 360cid small block V8 putting out 209 horsepower. The 360 is actually a larger bore version of the 318cid v8. Chrysler modernized the engine in the 80's, leading to the modular engine series. 2 added cylinders gives you the Copperhead V10 and new heads gives you the current third generation Hemi. Anyway, I recall reading somewhere that FMC had a running gear test bed (a stripped out M113) that had a high performance 440cid big block in it. Now thats a hotrod!
The air defence version with the 20mm Gatling is the M163 Vulcan Air Defence system. Later addition of range-only-radar and automotive improvements led to the M163 PIVAD (Product Improved VAD). There are picture of regular M113's modded with rifle caliber Gatlings used as convoy support during Vietnam. Thats what I call deterrent!
Russ
Proud son of Rose and Wes
That's just too cool. I would love one of these.
Love these old boxes. They have been modified and upgraded so many times it's unreal. The M163 would be cool. There was a vehicle wrecker with a crane mod. There was a mod with a TOW missle system on top (M993? called the Hammerhead). The IDF has a whole herd of different models, and some cool looking ones with the reactive armour blocks added to the sides. Aussies had one with a small tank turret on it in the 60's ('Nam). U.S. used one with a flame thrower turret in 'Nam. I would love one of these to make a TLAV (Modified and upgraded/uparmoured, lengthened) that is in use in the Canadian Forces and currently being used in Afghanistan.
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgu...h=84&tbnw=126&prev=/images?q=TLAV&gbv=2&hl=en
So when are these going to be available?
Love these old boxes. They have been modified and upgraded so many times it's unreal. The M163 would be cool. There was a vehicle wrecker with a crane mod. There was a mod with a TOW missle system on top (M993? called the Hammerhead). The IDF has a whole herd of different models, and some cool looking ones with the reactive armour blocks added to the sides. Aussies had one with a small tank turret on it in the 60's ('Nam). U.S. used one with a flame thrower turret in 'Nam. I would love one of these to make a TLAV (Modified and upgraded/uparmoured, lengthened) that is in use in the Canadian Forces and currently being used in Afghanistan.
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgu...h=84&tbnw=126&prev=/images?q=TLAV&gbv=2&hl=en
So when are these going to be available?
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