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I know that there are a lot of gun guys on the board, so I'm soliciting input. I've recently found out about the Kel Tec KSG 12 gauge bullpup shotgun. This looks like a very well thought out design that addresses some common shortcomings in currently available shotguns. Here is Kel Tec's press release and link to the site:

The KSG is our first entry into the shotgun market. The size, shape and design are similar to the currently available Kel-Tec RFB rifle, but the KSG ejects downward, instead of forward. The KSG weighs 6.9lbs and is as compact as legally possible with a 26.1" overall length and an 18.5" cylinder bore barrel. Even with this compact size, the internal dual tube magazines hold an impressive 14 rounds of 12 gage 2-3/4" rounds (7 per tube). The simple and reliable pump action feeds from either the left or right tube. The feed side is manually selected by a lever located behind the trigger guard. The lever can be positioned in the center detent in order to easily clear the chamber without feeding another round from either magazine. A cross bolt style safety blocks the sear, and the pump release lever is located in front of the trigger guard.

The pump includes an under Picatinny rail for the mounting of a forward grip, or a light or laser. The included top Picatinny sight rail will accept many types of optics or iron sights. Forward and rear sling loops are built in, and a basic sling is included. The soft rubber butt pad helps to tame recoil.


Kel Tec CNC

I've attached a couple of thumbnails.

I can see applications for house clearing and even hunting with the proper sights. I want one, but does anyone know of any negatives (or positives of course!)?
 

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First I heard of this. Looks pretty cool but the price tag is probably going to be pretty high, 2K possibly? I'm also curious on the duel loading aspect and how prone it is to jamming.
 

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Actually Shaggy, the projected MSRP is around $800.00, with preorder prices that I've seen at under $700.00. It appears that any jamming issues have been dealt with.
 

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I have actually considered getting one myself but since I left the dept can not seem to find a viable reason for my wife. LOL. Maybe if she would just accept the "but honey its f'ing awesome and i need or it" I could get it. Otherwise it will just be more money into my home renovation just like all my 1/6 proceeds for the last 8 months. God the 1/6 and 1/1 I could have bought with the 9k I put into this house in the last few months. Argghhhhh.

Here is a really good video from a Kel-tec Fan at Shot Show 2011
YouTube - nutnfancy's Channel
 

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Thanks for the link Nick. The guy sounds a little too "dude" and "bro" for my tastes, but he did get a lot of candid info from the Rep. Yeah, I want one.

And I feel your pain on the home improvement front. The painting crew should be arriving about 2 1/2 hours to start power washing and prepping the house. We got a good price, but, man!
 

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Ah the joys of home ownership....my walle isn't going to like me starting this spring when I start looking :( But back on this weapon, ahve to do some more research, for the price their asking isn't that bad, but have to look at the wonderful NYS Gun Laws pertaining to this.
 

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LOL my wife actually read this after I wrote it and asked what I wanted. I told her a new shotgun. She said " well get it". I told her the price and then she just said "Oh", well then I wont be able to get my new deer rifle".
Steve, as for the house you should do it all yourself and save some money. I have completed 2 bathroom remodels, painted 7 rooms, new light fixtures and fans, and laid 1500 Sq ft of laminate floor. I also bought some new furniture and electronics all for around $9k. It took me 6.5 months but just imagine the money I saved, not to mention I know alot more about taking care of plumbing and electrical work now. LOL
 

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but have to look at the wonderful NYS Gun Laws pertaining to this.
Kel Tec claims that it's legal in all 50 states. The fact that there are two 7 round tubes gets around any 10 round magazine limits that might be in effect. The barrel is a legal length anywhere. It should be good to go in NY.

Steve, as for the house you should do it all yourself and save some money.
I have the molding ready to install in the bathroom as we speak.
 

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Sort of looks like the grandson of the old High Standard 10, a shotgun that seemed a bit ahead of it's time.



Does the Kel Tec load and eject from the bottom?

Had dinner with a couple of buds tonight, and they'd been to The Bullet Hole this morning, for some planned early shooting (along with most of the rest of the world it seems). They ran into a mutual friend, recently retired from local LE job. Apparently there's a lot of discussion of the weapon, but no one seems to have used one, or at least enough to get a fix on how well they function.
 

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Sort of looks like the grandson of the old High Standard 10, a shotgun that seemed a bit ahead of it's time.



Does the Kel Tec load and eject from the bottom?

Had dinner with a couple of buds tonight, and they'd been to The Bullet Hole this morning, for some planned early shooting (along with most of the rest of the world it seems). They ran into a mutual friend, recently retired from local LE job. Apparently there's a lot of discussion of the weapon, but no one seems to have used one, or at least enough to get a fix on how well they function.
Yeah, Mike, there seems to be a lot of discussion, but little first hand experience. Look on youtube for videos from the SHOT Show as well as range sessions.

It does load and eject from the bottom, to the rear of the pistol grip. It has a thumb switch that is used to designate which tube to load or from which to feed. As you can see from the thumbnail, the loading/ejection port is roomy enough to allow fast and easy loading, even under stress. The Shooter also has the option of loading one round at a time, even with shells in one or both of the tubes.

Again, it looks cool AND practical. I can't wait to get my hands on one.
 

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So I found this site: KTOG Forum - KSG Bullpup Shotgun

There are a lot of good points raised (both positive and negative), and a Kel-Tec rep is one of the posters, responding to specific questions, as well as starting threads to make announcements. KT is listening to "the folks" and is addressing the issues that were raised after SHOT. I want one.

Can you imagine how cool this would look in 1:6?
 

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If I have the opportunity to buy one up here, I will. The dual tube magazines give this wee pup some more time pulling the trigger between reloads. The company does some very different thinking when it comes to bullet throwers.

Thanks for posting this.
 

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My pleasure, Clay.

I've joined the KTOG board so that I can post comments. Check it out for some insights to the R&D process and also just how some peoples' minds work. I personally do not foresee a "Zombie Apocalypse", but there are plenty of home/self defense scenarios that I can envision where this gun would fit the bill very nicely. I hope you can get one up there.
 

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I think these could replace police squad car shotty's potentially. one tube with non-lethal and the other with another type of load. Of course heat of the moment could see an officer switch to the wrong tube. Murphy has a way of crapping on even the most prepared and well trained person at the most inopportune time.
 

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I think these could replace police squad car shotty's potentially. one tube with non-lethal and the other with another type of load. Of course heat of the moment could see an officer switch to the wrong tube. Murphy has a way of crapping on even the most prepared and well trained person at the most inopportune time.
That exact point (lethal/nonlethal mix up potential) has been brought up in discussions on the KTOG board. Understandable liability issues concerns. One suggestion is a designated, clearly marked gun for nonlethal.
One guy has stated that no LEA would get this gun, but he hasn't given a reason. I was an MP many years ago but never a civilian cop, so I have no frame of reference as to why he would make such a statement. Anyone care to hazard a guess/informed opinion?
 

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I was a Sheriffs Deputy for all of about 2.5 years on the County's Tac team. IMHO it would be a great choice for a dept. Saying that it would once again come back to training and the "Oh S&*T " factor brought on by adrenaline and stress. I can see Murphy raising his head and playing a cruel joke on an officer with the best of intentions. Maybe if 1 tube was clearly marked orange for non-lethal but even then, did the operator have a oo in the chamber already and forget to eject it before switching the tubes. Ooops I just killed the guy I meant to knockdown with a beanbag or foil round. Use for a tac team would be about the same. Oh crap I just shot the perp with a breaching round instead of a slug. Once again Training and stress, but I can see a good use from my own experiences.
 

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Good points Nick.

I think that this would definitely need to be a weapon that is dedicated to a certain role. Stress and Murphy are a b!tch. Case in point: the SF (or Oakland?) PD Cop who shot that perp on the rail platform when he meant to tase him.

Makes me wonder how the corps handles the "lethal/nonlethal situation? They're the lead proponent in nonlethal means in the US Military, and must have training/SOPs/doctrine in place to address that issue.

So, if it were to be loaded up with one type of ammo per scenario, and the officer (Breacher on a SWAT team, Patrolman on the beat, Game Warden etc.) was trained and proficient with it, I think that it would be damned practical. I mean, 14 breaching rounds fired without reloading? Talk about "flow" through a building.
 

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Kel Tec claims that it's legal in all 50 states. The fact that there are two 7 round tubes gets around any 10 round magazine limits that might be in effect. The barrel is a legal length anywhere. It should be good to go in NY.
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Is that legal in CA tho? Besides, isn't it technically a 14 round magazine, or do you have to do something funky to switch over?

Thank you Kel Tech for making my dreams of owning weapons from the future a possibility.
 

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This is a pretty cool shotgun. I told my wife about it after reading about it in a magazine.

Might even be able to get these in Canada. I'll have to seriously look at getting my PAL again.

Apparently they eat all the special shells too and have no/few jamming issues. And different chokes are available for speading shot. Good for hunting, and skeet too. Of course magazines are good sources for biased propaganda, but some of the stuff I've seen online look just as promising.

And it just looks super cool.

Some good YouTube stuff.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sourc...p_H5DA&usg=AFQjCNG04EykXdpQI7PwU9LoZksFAhOhew

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sourc...p_H5DA&usg=AFQjCNFK5SmKZlg79YjxmepMTb2YIEokmw

And you can get fancy colours too. Yay
 
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