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In view of different ideological practices in trade culture between the East and West, a confrontation of the 2 largest economies on Earth has begun. The hinge pin that sparked it all is China's lead in 5G technology over the US (see what the lost of Steve Jobs has caused?), affecting global dominion and power. (I can see many Tom Clancy type stories spawning from all this.)

How will all this affect companies like Hot Toys, etc. where movie franchise licenses that support their business are predominantly American. And the manufacturing of 1 of our favourite past-time/hobby is predominantly from China. Will tariffs be affecting 1/6 toy imports (ie. Hot Toys, TBLeague, Kimi, SuperDuck, VeryCool, GAC, Threezero, Asmus, Toys Era, ACplay, etc) to the US? Since they are China/Hong Kong registered companies, moving outstation (eg. to Vietnam) may not make a difference. Are Hong Kong imports into the US affected too? Will production and demand, thus be affected and slowing down current outstanding delivery to the rest of the world?

I pose these questions to members of the 1/6 toy industry and consumers alike.
 

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Tarifs will raise prices on imports which will hurt both sales and our pocketbooks Trade wars are never fun while they last.
 

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"Winter is coming."

Be prepared to find a new hobby.

Even old 1:6 s*** no one wants will increase in prices in some instances.
 

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It was inevitable. China’s been getting away with not paying dick for goods shipped here, but raping the hell out of US businesses. Prices are going to go up on everything, not just collectibles, until US companies realize it’s no cheaper to get things made over there then it is here. As long as they can keep the scumbag unions out, manufacturers will be able to hire a reasonable-size work-force at a decent wage, not an over-inflated workforce at ridiculous wages — then prices will (hopefully) stabilize — or we’ll all just have to get used to the new norm.
 

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or we'll all just have to get used to the new norm.
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$19.99, $29.99, $34.99, $39.99, $49.99, $59.00, $79.99, $89.99, $99.99, $129.99, $149.99, $159.99, $169.99, $179.99, $189.99, $199.99, . . . ,$299.99, . . . $349.99, . . . $399.99, $449.99, . . .

Yeah. We sure got "used" to the new normal.
 

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Yeah, there’s been no tariff / import taxes on sixth scale pieces produced in China in the previous 20 years or so, but prices have still gone up dramatically. The first Dragon figure I bought was $39 if I recall, the BBi U-2 pilot was $49.95, and Hot Toys Colonial Marines were $89.95. SSC Star Wars figures were $50 or $60. The fact of overseas producers charging more as they embraced capitalism had and will have more impact then any tariffs or import taxes here (in the US of A).
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This seams rather petty considering that the US has lost a sense of it's identity on what made this country great in the first place. We send off jobs over seas and buy the very things that we lost in the first place. Marx toys was at one time one of the biggest toy makers in the world but cheap production from over seas killed the company and in turn killed toy makers in this country. Now the Chinese are costing so much that soon the production will go to some other 3rd world market and prop those peoples standard of living and we will welcome the low cost toys again but wonder why we can't build a road or overpass that lasts longer than 10 years. The infrastructure of this country falls apart but we can always get cheap toys. Blame the unions for that all you want but human nature always sticks its nose in the mix. People will always want better and are looking for ways to do less to get it. If by trying to level the playing field on the open market it costs more for some goods than so be it. We as a country need to find our sense of self again and get back that can do spirit. The worker should be paid more for his efforts as they are the coal that feeds the fire. Pride in self and ones work is never a bad thing and should be compensated.

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This seams rather petty considering that the US has lost a sense of it's identity on what made this country great in the first place. We send off jobs over seas and buy the very things that we lost in the first place. Marx toys was at one time one of the biggest toy makers in the world but cheap production from over seas killed the company and in turn killed toy makers in this country. Now the Chinese are costing so much that soon the production will go to some other 3rd world market and prop those peoples standard of living and we will welcome the low cost toys again but wonder why we can't build a road or overpass that lasts longer than 10 years. The infrastructure of this country falls apart but we can always get cheap toys. Blame the unions for that all you want but human nature always sticks its nose in the mix. People will always want better and are looking for ways to do less to get it. If by trying to level the playing field on the open market it costs more for some goods than so be it. We as a country need to find our sense of self again and get back that can do spirit. The worker should be paid more for his efforts as they are the coal that feeds the fire. Pride in self and ones work is never a bad thing and should be compensated.

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While I agree with everything you said, the problem I have with unions (I've been in three) is not that people are paid a fair wage, it's that they force companies to hire 5 times as many employees as necessary, you can't get rid of crappy (incompetent or lazy employees) without years and years of documentation (and even then it's virtually impossible), and eventually all that dead weight eats into the companies profits and drives them out of business. Unions had their place 100 years ago, but there is no need for them today with all the laws protecting employees rights and safety. Now their just shills for the Socialist/Communist party ruining this country - they care more about collecting those dues (which is why they LOVE all those extra employees), then they do the employees themselves. And they force people to work at infinitely slower rates than necessary.
I've seen first hand Union Reps telling people that were getting their work done TOO FAST (like in a couple hours) to stop doing that, as that job is supposed to take 5 days, which it doesn't - but that's the pace they "decided" it takes. A friend of mine worked in building construction, and when he was relatively new and walking past a stack of 2x4s, a guy on a scaffolding called down and asked if he could hand up some boards. When he went to do so, the Union Rep yelled at him that that wasn't his job, and then pointed to a guy standing idly nearby, and said - that's his job. Pretty stupid, but that's unions.
The highways and bridges would get built a lot faster and better if these companies were paid by the job - and not by the hour. Pay closer attention to when they start road construction- they tear up the roads in March and April usually - disappear for months with little or no activity in those coned areas - and then come back in October and November to "rush" the job - all the while they're getting paid to do NOTHING. The 35W bridge that collapsed in Minneapolis years ago, causing several deaths and would have been a MAJOR problem for years and years - was rebuilt in 6 months - because instead of paying them by the hour, they paid the company that could get the job done right and faster a multi-million dollar bonus - which turned out infinitely cheaper than it would have been if they had paid them by the hour and let the unions control the speed.

There's a Volkswagen manufacturer in Chattanooga TN (Volkswagen being a German company - loves those Unions) where the EMPLOYEES have steadfastly REFUSED to let the Union in, despite corporates attempts to do so, because the workers make a good wage, and they know what would happen if the union came in. F$&k unions - they need to be abolished in both the private and public sector (they never should have even been allowed in the public sector). The people who support unions are usually the laziest and most worthless employees in those unions because they know they can't lose their job and their overpaid to sit around and do nothing.

Everything else you said I agree with. We've definitely lost our way in this country.
 

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Well Stryker I am a Union Electrician in a right to work state and tho you mention lazy as if that's a Union issue that I take offense too. I am not lazy and I will give a solid 8 for 8 and take pride in the work I do. If you think that the unions have made people lazy than you are not seeing the other side of the issue. Human beings are who they are whether they are Union or not and both sides of the coin use it as a point to keep the worker from gaining too much ground. Having people run around job scared is not the answer either as that ends up producing .... work and getting people hurt. I don't have anything against non union workers as they are trying to feed their families the same as me. I just wish both sides of the coin would take pride in the work they do and getting a job well done. I have seen first hand how both Union and non union will exploit their people to the extreme but the difference is that if you are Union and are on the right side of the argument than at the least you will have a steward present to document your side. I have laid off non productive workers before and have been laid off when the job is done myself. We are working our selves out of a job as soon as we start picking up our tools. I will always stand up for Unions but understand they have blemishes just as the non Union sector does as well. Wonder what will happen when the Chinese worker who makes our toys would do if he was given the chance to join a Union and demand better conditions...….People tend to forget that Japan was the first version of cheap labor and stealing of jobs. They got tired of working 6 days a week for not enough compensation and soon they would start to lose their edge in the market to another country with even more cheap labor. It is the nature of business to get a higher percent of profit and have lower overhead (work force) and the only way to off set that is the cost of moving the goods from around the globe.

I suppose that we will agree that we disagree about Unions. I am not here to change your mind and am quite sure you wont change mine. I will argue about being a lazy Union member but that is between you and I and not for this board. I don't feel like the 1/6 collector is due anything other than the opportunity to buy these toys and if that means paying a higher cost than so be it. It is a hobby and not a birth right.

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We're supposed to play with toys, but we're being played by the toys instead.
 

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Well, I have been a Union member (Outside Journey Powerlineman)) of the IBEW for 36 yrs. I also worked non Union for a few yrs. I work with members just like Stryker who really are/claimed to be Union members because they know the wages/benefits, pensions and training/safety are far better than non Union part of the craft. I don't particularly care for the attitude and disrespect of the trade/craft these people like you, Stryker, have either. These are the kind of members that undermine the foundations of the Local Unions. If you wanna be a rat then go non Union. Stay over on that side because I don't like working with your type anyway. Unions built the middle class of this Country. Most of the trade war is self inflicted by the biggest incompetent idiot we have ever had who is a wanna- be Commander in Chief. Didn't vote for him and never will. Oh and I have been on these forums since the beginning. I was booted off for voicing my opinion different times is why I have so few posts. Geppetto, its good to be in company of another professional.
 

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How the **** we go from original topic to about unions that is very politically polarizing topic?

Unions helped improved many things, but as with anything it have levels of abuse and corruption that are rampant.
 

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I stopped actively buying anything but "bodies" a few years ago as prices climbed. While there are some amazing figures being produced I refuse to spend $200-$400 on a figure. Having worked int he toy industry for years I'll make my own stuff first and with the advent of 3D printing that's exactly what I do now. The tariffs will be just another excuse to raise prices and I for one will not be playing.
 

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We're supposed to play with toys, but we're being played by the toys instead.
How the **** we go from original topic to about unions that is very politically polarizing topic?
DFC has his hilarious moments! :)

I stopped actively buying anything but "bodies" a few years ago as prices climbed. While there are some amazing figures being produced I refuse to spend $200-$400 on a figure. Having worked int he toy industry for years I'll make my own stuff first and with the advent of 3D printing that's exactly what I do now. The tariffs will be just another excuse to raise prices and I for one will not be playing.
That thought of 3d Printing has been on the back my mind for a couple of years, since I do sculpt in Maya for animation. And looking at this guy's work here (he sculpted in Zbrush):
Unreal Customs - Wonder Woman / Gal Gadot Sculpted and... , it's incredible.
But this is another subject for another thread!
 

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Not so long ago this thread would have been quickly locked and removed due to the overt political content in it. I recall when DiD announced their first President Trump figure. Rather than discuss the merits or faults of the figure, many members couldn't control themselves and went on off-topic rants. That thread was quickly removed. I complained at the time because it was my belief the thread should have been cleaned up and the discussion allowed to continue, with forum rules violators being warned or banned. Even though I was pissed about the way that thread was handled, I actually wish that we had the old moderators back. It's rather obvious that the forum exodus didn't include some of those members that can't seem to control themselves. VS obviously doesn't give a damn how fractured what's left of the OSW community becomes.
 
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