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Hi fellows,

I have three question here that I would really like to know.

Why does Hot Toys Hicks is so expensive? And why does many people wanted him? Is Hicks hard to find?

I know it's a stupid question, but would really wanted an anwser to this.

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It was a limited world wide release so once they were produced that was it, so, yeah, he's hard to find. One reason that people want him is because he's a very popular character from the film, maybe neck and neck with Bill Paxton's Hudson character. Also, and I fall victim to this sometimes, if you passed on it originally and then change your mind it turns into the Holy Grail. I think many of those who passed on it assumed that it would be re-released at a cheaper price. The second batch of Aliens figures were released after the Sideshow connection and sold for around $80. Now find them for that amount.
 

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The main reason is because when the first run of ALIENS figures was released, you had to be in the hobby to know they were even out there. Sideshow wasn't stocking those figures at that time, so if you weren't already invested in the 1/6 hobby you had no idea they were coming out.

Funny thing is they were available for the longest time...I bought Vasquez like a year later...I could have stocked up on Sarge and even Hicks wasn't too hard to find. Then the second series hit and BOOM!

But I think Furious hit it on the head, its part of the Holy Grail concept. Kinda like how everyone wants the first "Patient Zero" zombie from Sideshow, the first they released, even though by todays standards he's a weak figure.

They re-used the Hicks headsculpt on their Viet Nam Seal figure with the Stoner MG, just covered in camo paint. Its not a great one, its good enough however.

When you see people paying such huge bucks for one of these, its kind of silly..and kind of sad. Its a great figure, but frankly there's nothing to prevent them from re-releasing a modified version....
 

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It's a shame that the likenesses are so bad in most of the series. Hicks hs is probably the worst likeness, I think it's the same one that's on the Kyle Reese figure. Some are good sculpts just don't look like the actor, Vasquez was particularly disappointing. Drake I can live with but needs a repaint and the same for Ripley - though I've seen better. Luckily Frontline has good replacements for Hicks, Apone (!), and Hudson, maybe more to come?
 

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When you see people paying such huge bucks for one of these, its kind of silly..and kind of sad. Its a great figure, but frankly there's nothing to prevent them from re-releasing a modified version....
i'm seriously SCARED of this. HT has released their last two predator figures, immediately following them up with a new, better version. when it was announced a couple months ago that HT grabbed up the rights to all the alien movies, renewing the aliens one, it seems likely the USCMs will be released again - and better this time. i wouldn't put it past them. it would be nice to see the improvements they could do after the figures being a couple years old, but i'd be torn between a classic and a more accurate, better looking alternative.
 

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Hicks suffers from the AVP Predator syndrome. The masses weren't hot for them until Hot Toys expanded the series to include AVP-R and Predator 2. Now the original (and in my opinion lower quality, but still excellent) Preds are the highest price. Ripley and the Power Loader and "Aliens" (totally inaccurate) Aliens Warriors made having and getting the original Marines WAY more worth having. I passed on the Marines at first too because the likenesses suck monkey butt, but if I could get them now for the prices then... No, I'd still pass cause the likenesses suck monkey butt. Although I have seen a great Hudson head sculpt that would be ****.

Has anybody done a great Hicks or Reese head sculpt? I still need one for my Kyle.
 

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@SilentSurfer: The Kyle Reese head that came with the Hot Toys figure is pretty good, they just covered it up with bad paint to avoid licensing issues. I'd suggest getting that head and either repainting it or send it to a professional repainter. ;)

As for Hicks, SilentSurfer answered it best.
 

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People are crazy for paying as much as they are for those figures. It's "panic mode"- they think "Oh my GOD! if i don't win this NOW i'll never get one!"

Hot Toys is also one of those brands (like sideshow) where speculators think they're going to make a ton of money scalping these figures later on for double or triple what they paid for it.

Has anybody done a great Hicks or Reese head sculpt? I still need one for my Kyle.
I like the Reese sculpt as is, but if you're not so keen on it, try getting it re-painted- the ones i've seen are GREAT.

The Frontline ALIENS heads are excellent, Apone looks a little cartoony if not painted super well... but then again some people feel the ALIENS Warrior is a little cartoony as well.

Since January i've seen TONS of Hicks heads on ebay. That's probably your best shot, or asking someone here. I also have seen that there's a lot of people on the Sideshow Freak forums looking to do Group Buys on Newt, Hicks, and Ripley sculpts... but personally and no offense I'm not too impressed by what I've seen so far.

I'm much more a fan of the 1st ALIEN film, and as a kid I always liked the Future Tech-Comm Soldiers design from the 1st TERMINATOR film better than the USCM, so I've been bashing a squad of those type of guys.

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sorry if i'm a little off topic here.

maybe someone here has some more info on this, but what exactly is HT's character license for ALIENS? Do they not have the likeness rights? I've seen some of the HT USCM figures on ebay signed by the original actors. I recently touched base with a friend of mine in film who worked with Michael Biehn within the last year or so, and brought up once how his crazy friend had a man-doll of his character from TERMINATOR, and he laughed and said he thought the toy was really cool, and that it looked a lot like him in the 1980s. He also said was suprised that people also hand-made figures of his character from TOMBSTONE.

So you'd figure that he would be angry or would have said something if they were using his likeness without his permission... he has been known to take action against that kind of thing.
 

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I don't spend past a certain point on these figures.....its the reason I'll never have a Medicom Matrix Neo....when he was $189 I couldn't bring myself to buy him...just too expensive for some plastic and fabric.
 

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I can never understand the crazy prices that is going on at evilbay for Hicks and Preds.. In my opinion, i think its the green eyed monster in everyone of us, you know how somebody had something and you felt you must have it...
 

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maybe someone here has some more info on this, but what exactly is HT's character license for ALIENS? Do they not have the likeness rights? I've seen some of the HT USCM figures on ebay signed by the original actors. I recently touched base with a friend of mine in film who worked with Michael Biehn within the last year or so, and brought up once how his crazy friend had a man-doll of his character from TERMINATOR, and he laughed and said he thought the toy was really cool, and that it looked a lot like him in the 1980s. He also said was suprised that people also hand-made figures of his character from TOMBSTONE.

So you'd figure that he would be angry or would have said something if they were using his likeness without his permission... he has been known to take action against that kind of thing.
I really don't know what the story is on the rights to the actors likenesses. I think it involves agreements with the individual actors - where lawyers are involved more bucks are sure to be spent. So to save money I'd guess that HT just acquired rights for the prop and costume designs and went with rough approximations of the actors likenesses.

As far as Michael Biehns reaction to having "dollies" with his likeness made of him his reaction doesn't surprise me. He strikes me as a really cool guy, from what I've heard other actors and directors say about him he's great to work with and has a terrific sense of humor. I think celebrity types are just like anyone else, some are nice people and some are major d*cks, or as Silentsurfer would say, "they suck monkey butt". Well put I might add.

A couple of people did mention better results with the HT Hicks hs after repainting. I've seen a couple of those, and you are right, they do look better, but I just think they don't look quite right. Maybe the face is too flat, can't really put my finger on it, I really do think the Frontline one is better. I've seen Frontline's Apone head used on other figures (WW2 GI & Iraq War Marine) and they looked terrific, he's such a great character, chomping on that cigar. I like some bizarre or slightly exaggerated head sculpts, it makes a more interesting and original figure. Most of us are pretty funny looking when it comes down to it. As for me, I have model looks, yeah, I look like a model of any ugly person.
 

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Well, a lot of people are trying to justify paying the high prices by saying they're "limited edition" and feeding the "OMG! If I don't buy it TODAY RIGHT NOW then I'll never have it again!" mentality.

Here's how I judge if something is truely rare, and I think it's good advice to those new in the hobby, or those just getting into collecting harder to find stuff. Let's say you're trying to buy a harder to find figure, and you do a search every day, or every other day. If you do an Ebay search for the item, how many items come up? If it's more than one every day, it's not that rare, and you shouldn't pay a premium price, or panic for it. There'll be more tomorrow. Some figures like Hicks or the Aliens and Predators, are available for sale every day (you might not like the price, but at least if you've got the paper, you can buy it.) while others like BBI Lucifer don't show up every day, or every week, or every month. And forget it if you're trying to find certain older Medicom figures. Sometimes you get your chance once a year. Yup, once a year is when someone puts one up for sale. Go ahead, do a search now for Hot Toys Hicks. Now do one for BBI Lucifer. See? Again, you might not like the price, but it's available for sale, and not that "rare". And this is't just today, it's all the time. Sure the amount available for sale will get less and less as time goes on, but so will the price. Think of that hot figure from 2002, or 2003... go take a look how much it sells for now. More often than not, it's retail, or a little bit higher or lower. Sometimes 1/2 the price. And honestly if something is availbe for you to buy all the time, is it "rare"? Does it justify the higher price? I always feel that if you have something no one else has for sale, and I can't get it anywhere else, and I won't see another for a long, long time, then it deserves the premium price; I'm not going to give you a premium price just because it's "hot" and you say so, or you clicked faster.

And Hicks is a cool figure, and a very popular character, but is it a $1,000 figure? No way. Is it a $500? Nope. Is it a $200or $300 figure? Perhaps, if you feel it is. The average price for that figure in the last 2 years is around $200-250. I feel it'll stay around the $300 mark until Hot Toys re-releases it. Since the fall of 2007 and one single auction that was highly written about on the forums, suddenly it's a $1,000 figure. If you look at the original auction, it seemed to most that there was some shill bidding going on there, and the guy was selling a complete MIB set of the other ALIENS Marines, as well as a TON of other 1/6 movie and Hot Toys stuff. Obviously people were looking to buy several figures at once, thus the high prices.

Only a certain few of the Alien and Predator figures were a limited editon. For some reason, people think these figures were really limited. Yes, they were pre-Sideshow partnership, but they were pretty easy to get here in the US. Especially on the East and West coasts. Most places I knew that carried imports at all at least got one or two of them. My local shop sat on 3 or 4 Vasquez figures for almost 2 years. And I know that some stores thought they were a bust, because they sat on the shelf for so long. Remember it's 2008 now and years later. It's something i've talked about a bunch in other posts, the fake "limited edition" hype, so it makes collectors freak out and empty their wallets in a panic.

While ebay is great for finding collectibles, it's also created a horrible monster known as the Scalper. Oh, they were there in the 1990's, but now everyone and their mother is a "store" and trying to sell stuff they bought at retail for a profit to those unlucky enough to have a life, a job, or things more important in life than waking up at 8am to buy every 1/6 thing at Toys R Us, or staying up until 2am clicking away for the latest "exclusive" that ends up on ebay within 5 minutes of shipment. While LA and NYC have been big scalper spots for over a decade, now it's spread to the rest of the US and it's a pain. Hot Toys and Sideshow are currently big targets for these guys. At my old shop, I had several customers who were buying 2 of every Sideshow Star Wars figure because "they're going to be worth money, and I can sell them later on." Take a look how much some of those 1st few releases goes for vs. the original price. Not that much given the expense and effort. But it's for their "buisness" or however they justify it to themselves. Now granted, I have an Ebay Store, and I sell a lot of stuff on ebay, but i don't consider myself a "store" at all and never pretend to be one. And while I part out rare figures sometimes, it's always to get some pocket change, or to get some parts I need for my own bashes.

Sorry to keep hitting you guys with such long posts, this is a topic I feel very strongly about, I think there's been a lot of ret-conning and dishonesty in collecting in general over the last few years, especially about availability.

While we all want to own something "rare" in some way, I think for the last 15 years the hype-machine of the toy buisness has really blurred the lines between the currently difficult to find at a cheap price, and the truely limited edition, obscure items. Star Wars and comic books started this false rarity in the 1990's, Ebay continued it in the 2000's, and Hot Toys Aliens Hicks is only the latest example.
 

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To expand a little on what Flaccid Eagle said, I'd like to take a quick moment to point out the difference between "rare" and "hard-to-find". If there are only 100 pieces of an item in the whole world, it is rare. If there are 100,000 but scalpers, distributors, and collectors alike are hoarding them, they may be hard-to-find, but by no means rare. Eventually, the market demand will drive these items back into the marketplace at "reasonable" prices. False scarcity and surge of public interest (like the release of AVP-R causing skyrocketing of AVP HT prices on Ebay.) will cause the foolish and impatient to pay outrageous prices. You have to decide for yourself whether an item is truly rare or only temporarily hard-to-find.
 

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Well, a lot of people are trying to justify paying the high prices by saying they're "limited edition" and feeding the "OMG! If I don't buy it TODAY RIGHT NOW then I'll never have it again!" mentality.

Here's how I judge if something is truely rare, and I think it's good advice to those new in the hobby, or those just getting into collecting harder to find stuff. Let's say you're trying to buy a harder to find figure, and you do a search every day, or every other day. If you do an Ebay search for the item, how many items come up? If it's more than one every day, it's not that rare, and you shouldn't pay a premium price, or panic for it. There'll be more tomorrow. Some figures like Hicks or the Aliens and Predators, are available for sale every day (you might not like the price, but at least if you've got the paper, you can buy it.) while others like BBI Lucifer don't show up every day, or every week, or every month. And forget it if you're trying to find certain older Medicom figures. Sometimes you get your chance once a year. Yup, once a year is when someone puts one up for sale. Go ahead, do a search now for Hot Toys Hicks. Now do one for BBI Lucifer. See? Again, you might not like the price, but it's available for sale, and not that "rare". And this is't just today, it's all the time. Sure the amount available for sale will get less and less as time goes on, but so will the price. Think of that hot figure from 2002, or 2003... go take a look how much it sells for now. More often than not, it's retail, or a little bit higher or lower. Sometimes 1/2 the price. And honestly if something is availbe for you to buy all the time, is it "rare"? Does it justify the higher price? I always feel that if you have something no one else has for sale, and I can't get it anywhere else, and I won't see another for a long, long time, then it deserves the premium price; I'm not going to give you a premium price just because it's "hot" and you say so, or you clicked faster.

And Hicks is a cool figure, and a very popular character, but is it a $1,000 figure? No way. Is it a $500? Nope. Is it a $200or $300 figure? Perhaps, if you feel it is. The average price for that figure in the last 2 years is around $200-250. I feel it'll stay around the $300 mark until Hot Toys re-releases it. Since the fall of 2007 and one single auction that was highly written about on the forums, suddenly it's a $1,000 figure. If you look at the original auction, it seemed to most that there was some shill bidding going on there, and the guy was selling a complete MIB set of the other ALIENS Marines, as well as a TON of other 1/6 movie and Hot Toys stuff. Obviously people were looking to buy several figures at once, thus the high prices.

Only a certain few of the Alien and Predator figures were a limited editon. For some reason, people think these figures were really limited. Yes, they were pre-Sideshow partnership, but they were pretty easy to get here in the US. Especially on the East and West coasts. Most places I knew that carried imports at all at least got one or two of them. My local shop sat on 3 or 4 Vasquez figures for almost 2 years. And I know that some stores thought they were a bust, because they sat on the shelf for so long. Remember it's 2008 now and years later. It's something i've talked about a bunch in other posts, the fake "limited edition" hype, so it makes collectors freak out and empty their wallets in a panic.

While ebay is great for finding collectibles, it's also created a horrible monster known as the Scalper. Oh, they were there in the 1990's, but now everyone and their mother is a "store" and trying to sell stuff they bought at retail for a profit to those unlucky enough to have a life, a job, or things more important in life than waking up at 8am to buy every 1/6 thing at Toys R Us, or staying up until 2am clicking away for the latest "exclusive" that ends up on ebay within 5 minutes of shipment. While LA and NYC have been big scalper spots for over a decade, now it's spread to the rest of the US and it's a pain. Hot Toys and Sideshow are currently big targets for these guys. At my old shop, I had several customers who were buying 2 of every Sideshow Star Wars figure because "they're going to be worth money, and I can sell them later on." Take a look how much some of those 1st few releases goes for vs. the original price. Not that much given the expense and effort. But it's for their "buisness" or however they justify it to themselves. Now granted, I have an Ebay Store, and I sell a lot of stuff on ebay, but i don't consider myself a "store" at all and never pretend to be one. And while I part out rare figures sometimes, it's always to get some pocket change, or to get some parts I need for my own bashes.

Sorry to keep hitting you guys with such long posts, this is a topic I feel very strongly about, I think there's been a lot of ret-conning and dishonesty in collecting in general over the last few years, especially about availability.

While we all want to own something "rare" in some way, I think for the last 15 years the hype-machine of the toy buisness has really blurred the lines between the currently difficult to find at a cheap price, and the truely limited edition, obscure items. Star Wars and comic books started this false rarity in the 1990's, Ebay continued it in the 2000's, and Hot Toys Aliens Hicks is only the latest example.
Yeah, so I did a search for "Lucifer" and came up with zilch. Some of what you said is true, I especially agree with what you said about the conning in collecting, but I believe you are using faulty logic when you say, "Sure the amount available for sale will get less and less as time goes on, but so will the price. Think of that hot figure from 2002, or 2003... go take a look how much it sells for now. More often than not, it's retail, or a little bit higher or lower. Sometimes 1/2 the price." Show me where Lucifer has sold for retail since it was first marketed. As time goes by it's availability will be less and less and it will, and is, worth more. Look at some of the "Holy Grail" lists on this forum sometime, Lucifer is on an extrordinary amount of lists. That is also what makes a rarity, something everybody wants but there's only a limited amount available. Rarity is not always a comment on quality. It's not always rare because the figure (or Pez dispenser for crying out loud, have you every looked at what prices those things go for?!) is all that special, and frankly "Lucifer" to me is just okay. How many one sixth collectors do you think want a Sideshow Australian Lighthorseman or a U.S. Infantry Officer, AEF (the one with the trench coat and Lee Marvin hs)? I'll bet quite a lot.

Of course you're right about the mass produced sets, wait a little bit and they will be in the sell out bin at TRU's. I'm reminded of what someone advised me when I first started using eBay, "If you don't get it this time, don't sweat it, it will be there again." Pretty similar to your philosophy and for the average figure it's true. Not all figures are re-released, not all figures are mass produced. The honestly of the company producing the figure plays a big part in this, Sideshow seems to be reliable when it comes to limiting it's production numbers. However most Dragon figures I wouldn't pay straight retail when they are released because I know they'll be cheaper in a year or so. Also, for most Dragon figures you'll see the same parts being redistributed to make "new releases". I don't blame them for that, that's cost effective, a sound marketing strategy, and if you are doing another German why not reuse some of the same parts from the last German. It makes perfect sense, but it's not very interesting except for real WW2 German fans I was smart enough to grab "Sgt. Jones" and the French Grenadier when they were first produced. The boxed sets and loose gear have all but disappeared now. When you do see the sets they sell for big bucks. Why? Because they are rare. Being savy in the business of action figures helps make you savy in the ways of collecting action figures, and vice versa.
 

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To expand a little on what Flaccid Eagle said, I'd like to take a quick moment to point out the difference between "rare" and "hard-to-find". If there are only 100 pieces of an item in the whole world, it is rare. If there are 100,000 but scalpers, distributors, and collectors alike are hoarding them, they may be hard-to-find, but by no means rare. Eventually, the market demand will drive these items back into the marketplace at "reasonable" prices. False scarcity and surge of public interest (like the release of AVP-R causing skyrocketing of AVP HT prices on Ebay.) will cause the foolish and impatient to pay outrageous prices. You have to decide for yourself whether an item is truly rare or only temporarily hard-to-find.
That's really quibling with semantics. Something that is rare is hard to find and hard to find things are rare. Frankly I think the great retail hoarding rumor is more urban legend than truth. Retailers don't really have the desire not to sell something when it's on their shelves. If it gets inventoried it's a loss, sell it it's profit. If something hasn't sold and suddenly people are
scrambling for it then you can raise the price to what the market will bear. Maybe you can make back some of your loss. Categorizing an action figure as "rare" or "hard to find" is not meant as a comment on quality that is subjective. Case in point is the "Lucifer" figure which to me is just an okay figure, no great shakes, I bought loose bits from it to use elsewhere but never really wanted the boxed set. But to someone else it's "the Holy Grail" of action figures. Who's right in that instance? Nobody or both, it's subjective, but that view of it's quality doesn't change the fact that it is rare or hard to find, if that's what you want to call it. I rarely see that 70's piece of crap deathtrap by Ford, the Pinto, but it's rarity is hardly a comment on it's quality, perhaps it's lack of it, oh, and a small propensity for exploding if hit from the rear.

Don't you see that a figures rarity makes it hard to find. The numbers become more important when there is greater demand and smaller supply. Have you seen the prices at the gas pump lately? Who hasn't, had to cut back on my dolly purchases. I think there are more discerning collectors, that is collectors that are more discriminating in what they consider to be of superior quallity. The better quality and more appealing a limited run figure is the sooner it will acquire the label "rare". And that's when you have to spend the big bucks.
 

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Hicks is certainly hard to find at a reasonable price, these days. I'm happy I bought one when they were originally released, even tho' it seemed expensive at the time. :rolling
Imo, the uniform, armour and equipment are very well done, but the headsculpt isn't a great likeness.
SilentSurfer: re replacement heads for Hicks, try searching for pics of the one by Les Walker a.k.a. Figuremaster Les, on the Sideshow Collectors forum. There was a thread about "Building your Marines correctly", but I can't seem to find it at the mo'

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Hicks is certainly hard to find at a reasonable price, these days. I'm happy I bought one when they were originally released, even tho' it seemed expensive at the time. :rolling
As am I. Second Hot Toys figure I ever bought, IIRC(first was Scar Predator from AVP). I *really* wish I'd picked up Apone, even just for custom fodder. I got my Hicks and Vasquez from Sideshow, and they were like $80-85 each, which seemed like a fortune at the time. But who could've known that 2-3 years down the line that'd be regular Sideshow prices? Sideshow was like $40 at the time.

Even though I have one I'd love if they reissued Hicks, maybe with a more accurate headsculpt. He's one of my favorite figures.
 

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I still have Hicks and Hudson boxed up. I keep telling myself to assemble them and break them out of the box. But if they are worth money I may keep holding off. You never know these days when you might need the money to buy gas or something.

Personally I'm a hug Hudson fan I couldn't see myself getting rid of him unless I was starving or something.
 
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