10th ID is the ONLY unit that wears the mountain tab. The unit originally composed of a lot of skiers from the Northeast and was created to fight the Nazis in the italian Alps in WWII. It was retired after WWII and only reflagged during the Reagan years.
Army - the "MOUNTAIN" tab - 10th only?
The MOUNTAIN tab worn above the 10th mountain division patch, I've never seen it applied to other units/divisions. Are there indeed other units/divisions that wear the patch or are authorized to do so?
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So the actual "Mountain" tab doesn`t go with you,say the Soldier transferes to a different unit?
Along the lines of Airborne & Ranger tabs (when earned you wear all the time) ?
Are Special Forces tabs the same? You earn them & if you went to a standard Inf unit you could/could not wear your SF tab?
Along the lines of Airborne & Ranger tabs (when earned you wear all the time) ?
Are Special Forces tabs the same? You earn them & if you went to a standard Inf unit you could/could not wear your SF tab?
Correct, the Mountain tab doesn't go with the soldier when he transfers to another unit; it is an integral part of the 10th Mountain Division's shoulder sleeve insignia (arm patch). It's just like the Airborne tab on the 82nd or 101st patches. They don't transfer, either. The Mountain and Airborne tabs are part of the unit's patch and are worn only so long as the soldier is in that unit.
The Ranger, Special Forces, and Sapper tabs, on the other hand, are qualification badges that a soldier earns (like airborne wings) by graduating from a specific school. Once he has earned them, a soldier retains his qualification badges. He is authorized to wear his qualification badges no matter how many times he transfers during his Army career.
I hope this helps.
ATW,
Gerry
The Ranger, Special Forces, and Sapper tabs, on the other hand, are qualification badges that a soldier earns (like airborne wings) by graduating from a specific school. Once he has earned them, a soldier retains his qualification badges. He is authorized to wear his qualification badges no matter how many times he transfers during his Army career.
I hope this helps.
ATW,
Gerry
I believe the 86th Infantry Brigade also wears the Mountain tab. The unit is out of Vermont.
The Airborne Tab is part of the SF insignia. If you are not SF qualified, you would still wear the tab over the insignia as it identifies the unit as an airborne unit-Palaboon said:![]()
Whats with that Airborne Patch then? :bag
Special Forces guys like the 82nd have to go to jump school. I have not seen airborne patches on any other units other than the 82nd, 101st, 18th and 173rd airborne and spec ops. The 101st first no longer jump as they did during WW-II. They are air assault, which mean they now use helicopters. The 173rd at one point had people in N. Iraq. As for the mountain tab, the 10th is a specialty unit like the 82nd. The only one in the army order of battle. They train in Vermount and probably have regiment size unit like the 86th and 2nd Battalion 87th Infantry Regiments that are a part of the 10th Mountain Division. If this is not the case someone enlighten me.
So just for clarity,the Mountain tab stay`s ONLY with the 10th,yes?
The Airborne & Ranger tabs though, I was under the impression that they went with you No matter the unit you transfered too.
Is this not so?
The SF tab I can understand only being worn by active personel.
Last tab,patch question. Does the US Army still practice having old combat unit patches on the Right arm,if currently with a different unit?
Or due to the amount of actual combat deployments the Army & other services are on,this practice been stood down?
The Airborne & Ranger tabs though, I was under the impression that they went with you No matter the unit you transfered too.
Is this not so?
The SF tab I can understand only being worn by active personel.
Last tab,patch question. Does the US Army still practice having old combat unit patches on the Right arm,if currently with a different unit?
Or due to the amount of actual combat deployments the Army & other services are on,this practice been stood down?
panzerjaeger, I think Colonel C and his explanation are spot on. Read that one again for your answer.
As far as the "combat patch" on the right shoulder, yes, it is still in affect, and has never gone away. If a trooper has more than one that he is authorized to wear , it is his choice on which , not matter the current unit assigned. For example, if he is currently serving with 1ID in Iraq , but had previously served with the 3ID in a combat capacity , he can choose to wear either one , or none at all. Purely his discretion. Most guys I know stay with the first one they earned , regardless of how many more they might be authorized.
As far as the "combat patch" on the right shoulder, yes, it is still in affect, and has never gone away. If a trooper has more than one that he is authorized to wear , it is his choice on which , not matter the current unit assigned. For example, if he is currently serving with 1ID in Iraq , but had previously served with the 3ID in a combat capacity , he can choose to wear either one , or none at all. Purely his discretion. Most guys I know stay with the first one they earned , regardless of how many more they might be authorized.
Like Colonel C said, Mountain Tab is part of the 10th ID patch. Its only worn while the soldier is assigned to the division. If the soldier goes to combat with the 10th ID he is authorized to wear the complete patch (patch and tab) on the RIGHT shoulder.
Airborne TABS are part of unit patches that are or have a lineage (like the 101st) on airborne status. As the tab is PART of the patch it is worn like the mountain tab, only when the soldier is assigned to the unit or as combat patch on the right shoulder. Wearing the airborne tab does not absolutely confirm that the wearing soldier is airborne qualified. The 101st is a good example of airborne tab but not an active parachuting unit. You will also find on occasion soldiers serving in active jumping units that are not on airborne status. I've seen this primarily in support units of the 18th Airborne Corps but even in special forces units (electric carving knife patch).
You MAY see airborne tabs above other units also as some units have small jump units assigned to them (usually long range reconaissance). This explains when you might see and airbornetab over an armored division patch. This was mostly a cold war phenomenon as most of these units have moved to the corps level. Some soldiers in these type of units won't wear the airborne tab due to the extra cost or unit SOP. The only sure way to know a soldier is airborne qualified is the airborne badge worn on the left chest.
Now that you are throroughly confused, as a rule of thumb the airborne tab applies to the unit not the soldier.
BTW, the 82nd is not considered special forces. "Special Forces" applies to 18 series MOS soldiers (guys that have graduated the special forces course). Special Operations forces apply to those units having unique capabilities and missions. Special Forces, Civil Affairs, Pschological Operations, Ranger BATTALIONS (not ranger qualified individuals) and of course Delta fall in the category of special operations units. I have not listed the Navy, Air Force, Marine, Coast Guard or Intelligence Community organizations.
Airborne TABS are part of unit patches that are or have a lineage (like the 101st) on airborne status. As the tab is PART of the patch it is worn like the mountain tab, only when the soldier is assigned to the unit or as combat patch on the right shoulder. Wearing the airborne tab does not absolutely confirm that the wearing soldier is airborne qualified. The 101st is a good example of airborne tab but not an active parachuting unit. You will also find on occasion soldiers serving in active jumping units that are not on airborne status. I've seen this primarily in support units of the 18th Airborne Corps but even in special forces units (electric carving knife patch).
You MAY see airborne tabs above other units also as some units have small jump units assigned to them (usually long range reconaissance). This explains when you might see and airbornetab over an armored division patch. This was mostly a cold war phenomenon as most of these units have moved to the corps level. Some soldiers in these type of units won't wear the airborne tab due to the extra cost or unit SOP. The only sure way to know a soldier is airborne qualified is the airborne badge worn on the left chest.
Now that you are throroughly confused, as a rule of thumb the airborne tab applies to the unit not the soldier.
BTW, the 82nd is not considered special forces. "Special Forces" applies to 18 series MOS soldiers (guys that have graduated the special forces course). Special Operations forces apply to those units having unique capabilities and missions. Special Forces, Civil Affairs, Pschological Operations, Ranger BATTALIONS (not ranger qualified individuals) and of course Delta fall in the category of special operations units. I have not listed the Navy, Air Force, Marine, Coast Guard or Intelligence Community organizations.
According to their site, the CO of the unit (Located in Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, with HQ in Vermont)takes advantage of the school located in the area to train his troops, and the 3d Battalion 172d Infantry Regiment is designated (Mountain). Graduates of the school are given the additional Special Qualification Identifier (SQI) E - (Military Mountaineer).1delta10tango said:I believe the 86th Infantry Brigade also wears the Mountain tab. The unit is out of Vermont.
From the Vermont Guard site
They call those "mountains"??? LMFAO!!!!pukingdog said:According to their site, the CO of the unit (Located in Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, with HQ in Vermont)takes advantage of the school located in the area to train his troops, and the 3d Battalion 172d Infantry Regiment is designated (Mountain). Graduates of the school are given the additional Special Qualification Identifier (SQI) E - (Military Mountaineer).
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From the Vermont Guard site
Actually that was my next question:
I live in Tampa. What is a mountain? Another question. Why does the German Sheppard on his patch have branches stickin' out of his ears?
I live in Tampa. What is a mountain? Another question. Why does the German Sheppard on his patch have branches stickin' out of his ears?
Thank`s,I think I`ve grasped it now on the tabs,chest wings.
Also thank`s for the answer concerning "Combat" patches on the right arm too.
That certainly helps.
Also thank`s for the answer concerning "Combat" patches on the right arm too.
That certainly helps.
Ditto panzerjaeger regarding the combat patches. In the past I've seen soldiers wear patches and tab combinations from two completely different units and wondered why. It makes sense that the same guys I saw also had about a half a pound of material sewn above their left pocket as well.
... and a look on their face that suggested that perhaps they should be left alone.
... and a look on their face that suggested that perhaps they should be left alone.
Im still looking for the mountians on FT Drum lol, they should move us to Colorado lol
This is not so, there are two National Guard SF Groups the 19th SFG out of Utah I believe with detachments all over the north/northeast and the 20th SFG out of Mississippi which has detachments all over the south, although these are NG units they are deployed 256 days a year on average so much for one weekend a month.panzerjaeger said:The SF tab I can understand only being worn by active personel.
Last tab,patch question. Does the US Army still practice having old combat unit patches on the Right arm,if currently with a different unit?
Or due to the amount of actual combat deployments the Army & other services are on,this practice been stood down?
I once had a medic a veteran who chose to wear a different combat patch every day with 4 deployments down range he had his choice. Between 2nd ACR, 1st CAV, 3rd ID, and 1st ID
I'm currently a squad leader in an infantry unit assigned to the 10th Mountain Division Fort Drum, NY. The Mountain tab is not a speciality skill badge and can not be earned. It is a part of the unit patch and has no special attributes whatsoever. If you go to combat with the 10th Mountain like I have three times in the past 4 years then you get what is called a combat patch which is worn on your right shoulder. The mountain tab is worn over your combat patch as it is a part of the cross "X" patch below it. There is no possible way for any other unit to wear this mountain tab as it is not a skill badge to be earned therefore any national guard or other mickey mouse unit claiming they earned it in the mountains of Vermont are thus full of BS. The same goes for the airborne tab. If someone is airborne qualified they will wear the airborne BADGE not the TAB. The tab is just a joint patch associated with the division patch, and CAN NOT be earned in any way shape or form. Sorry for the rant, I just like to clear up misunderstandings.
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