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    I agree with the SOCOM 16.

    I haven't shot one, but I had an M14S with both fiberglass and wood stocks and liked the feel of the fiberglass one better even though it looked 'purtyier' with the wood one. Plus it is a little lighter and more resiliant(the stock). It was fun to shoot and wouldn't mind the SOCOM for a bit of a shorter weapon.

    M14 through and through. I like it better than the M16/M203 that I was issued. I'll take the weight, it'll just build up some muscle .
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    Quote Originally Posted by xeon_inc
    LOLX, Singapore SAR 21 RIS rifle.. anyway im gonna be in singapore army force soon, will be carrying SAR 21..
    from wad i noe, SAR 21 ish not design for left handers, sad..
    SAR21 cannot handle high rate of fire. rounds may end up jammed in chamber and cause cook-off. i've tested high rate of firing using the M16s, til the gas pipe's red hot. let it air-cooled before cooking the gas pipe again. M16s never failed me....

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    Definitely an M16A1 with 55 gr. .223.

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    1) Recce Recon carbine (midlength, 16 inch, 1x7) with Black Hills 77grn.
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have." - President Ronald Reagan

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    AK 47 all day every day!
    Mine is a cheaper model romainian but it still gets the job done!
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    Here is my take on the UMP45..for LE use it is fine but we found it really untenable for Mil. CQB. Too bulky and some other factors means it stays in the arms room for the most part. My preference for a rifle is always the M4. We have CQB upper for ours (11 1/2 barrels) and have no problem with 5.56. Sidearm is 1911 .45 for the most part, support personel carry M9's. I have no problem with either handgun. Long gun would be a Mod'd M14 / M21..semi-auto with good range and punch. My $1 worth.
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    My 2 cents

    Hey all,

    Just wanted to add that there are Federal LE in the States that use the MP-5 chambered for 10mm. There is a difference as you can't use the 40 cal rounds that go in a Glock in a MP-5 10mm. On this model the bolt does lock to the rear when all rounds have been fired and it does have a bolt catch release on the side that will send the bolt home when a new magazine is inserted. The MP-5 10mm also comes with a straight magazine versus a curbed.

    FourB9

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    Four Bravo 9, nice..~ And i have always thought the straight mag indicates older 1st version MP-5...~

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    Recent Photo

    Found this pic on Military Photos, also some pics of HRT or are they?
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    Yes, that looks like one of the FBI HRT outdoor ranges and def. is one of thier 10mm. They run like the rest of the MP5 family....smooth and accurate.
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    Is the info on the above pic I posted

    "FBI special agent Mike Stokes, center, shows Houston Texans Bryan Pittman, left, and Jarrod Baxter, right, an MP5/10 sub-machine gun Tuesday, July 11, 2005 at the FBI training facility in Conroe, Texas. Seven players from Houston's NFL franchise visited the facility for instruction in gun safety, SWAT assaults and sniper shooting. (AP Photo/Pat Sullivan)"

    Houston has a nice training facility.

    Here is some info on future transitions for FLE

    "December 5, 2003
    DEA Awards 5 Year Contract to Rock River Arms.

    (Colona, IL)¡KRock River Arms has the reputation for producing top quality AR15s and custom 1911s. What sets Rock River Arms apart from the competition is their versatility to produce weapons to such rigorous specifications.

    Many elite AR15 manufacturers submitted weapons for approval but fell short during the abuse test, which was the initial phase of testing. Rock River Arms AR15 .223/5.56 NATO met the requirements and specifications set forth by DEA. The abuse test consisted of the parts interchange test, the extreme temperature test, the drop test, the throw test and the corrosion test. In the parts interchange test, the carbines were field stripped. The major component parts were randomly interchanged and reassembled. Each carbine was then loaded and fired and had to perform without malfunction. During the extreme temperature test, the carbines were placed in a chamber and stabilized at a temperature of minus 20„a F for one hour. Then the weapons were removed and immediately fired at room temperature. Then the carbines were placed in a temperature chamber where it was stabilized at 120„a F for one hour then removed and immediately fired at room temperature. The weapon then moved on to the drop test from a height of 4 feet and dropped onto a concrete floor six different times on all sides of the carbine. After completing the drop safety test, the weapon was loaded and had to safely fire 20 rounds with no malfunction to pass. The throw test consisted of throwing the firearm from a height of four feet and over a distance of 15 feet, once on the right side and once on the left side, then must safely fire 20 rounds with no malfunction. It was then submerged in salt water and exposed to sand. After both tests the weapon had to function flawlessly.

    Rock River Arms was one of the selected few that outperformed the other manufacturers and moved on to phase two of the testing. Phase two was the 5,000 round endurance/functional reliability test. The testing team consisted of members of the DEA and FBI Firearms Training Unit and the DEA and FBI armorers/gunsmiths. The team also tested for accuracy, dispersion and velocity.

    Rock River Arms is supplying the DEA with their AR15 chambered in .223/5.56 NATO, equipped with an Eo Tech holo sight, a Surefire rail and white light, a Viking sling and an Eagle Industry carry case. The DEA awarded Rock River Arms the contract, followed by a substantial purchase order. The initial order will be delivered this month"

    And here is HRT
    Also good info on them here http://www.specwarnet.net/taclink/Federal/FBI_HRT.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pvt. Ryan HOH View Post
    The Ump is awesome... I shot the Civillian USC carbine version... Great accuracy compaired to an UZI...

    The Round is also larger... You can get a UMP in 9mm/.40 call too though.

    The Uzi is a little out dated in my eye, and a UMP is more versitale (modular rails can be added)

    Ump? Civillian USC? I couldn't hit jack .... with that thing ( maybe I'm just a bad shot)! And the guy kept on insisting that it was an asault rifle! Dam thing needs a ....ing key for the magazine catch WTF ( I live in Crapafornia, stupid gun laws )

    Now the UZI, YEAAAAHHHHHH I can target shoot with that thing. Plus it's a Holy weapon since it's built and designed by the israeli's. I admit it's old but it was a forerunner design for future weapons to come, and has an interesting and combat tested history.

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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    Bushmaster 25mm

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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    Quote Originally Posted by major.rod View Post
    Bushmaster 25mm
    LMAO, I'd heard they had fitted one with a stock and 30 rd magazine.

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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    That's what I call superior firepower.
    "Grant us wisdom from Thy mind, courage from Thine heart, strength from Thine arm, and protection by Thine hand. It is for Thee that we do battle, and to Thee belongs the victor's crown. For Thine is the kingdom, & the power & glory forever, Amen." SF Prayer

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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    If I had to go back into the military and was issued a weapon to carry now it would definitely be M249 again or M-4.

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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    Tough choice, having shot AR15's in several configs (liking the M4 most), FALs, SIG500 series, AK's en Steyrs....

    The one's in my collection I like most and are the one's I would call my weapon of choice right now...

    Not necessarily in any given order..

    AKS74 in 5,45x39, accurate enough up till 200 meters. Low recoil. With accesory rail optics versatile
    AK102, mine's basicly a converted Saiga rifle. 5.56x45 mm.
    Steyr AUG. AK's are what they are. Robust, reliable fieldbeasts. But the Steyr tops them in accuracy. If Steyr would produce an AUG in 5,45mm I would buy one.

    Basicly I'm a firm believer of the 5,45mm round even though I have found some pretty decent 5,56mm loads that are doing the same devastating job the 5,45mm is doing in it's full metal jacket form.

    Opticswise, the Leupold 1.5-5 MR/T scope was on my AK102 and on the AUG these days...

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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    there is no relation between stopping power and caliber. its a myth perpetuated by uninformed people. the only thing that really counts is hitting the target where it counts. as for my favorite:

    pistol: M&P pistol
    shotgun: benelli m4
    carbine: m4 / socom 16
    rifle: armalite sass
    lmg: m249
    mmg: m240
    gl: m32

    guess i like the us / military hardware. wish i could really have the last 3.
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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    (coughing politely)

    Shot placement of course is the most important factor in putting your target down. Short of taking out someone's brain stem there is no 100% area that will put EVERY man down EVERY time.

    Given the combat reality of fleeting, obscured, covered, doped up and body armored targets caliber decidedly makes a difference. 5.56 or 5.45 may go through certain walls but when 7.62 eats 18" trees and most walls/floors I will choose the larger caliber every time (that 25mm vaporizes people LOL).

    Danger Close, I think your point is much more applicable to pistol ammo as the range is diminished significantly.

    Personally I carry a P10 or P14LDA and in combat would carry the M4. Yes, I'm partial and am very comfortable with the M16 family (years of hauling it around). I love the 7.62 (specifically M14 family). It is an excellent caliber and weapon in all respects except in comparison to the weight of 5.56. When you have to suppress a target so yoor element can manuever its quantity of fire over accuracy that keeps the bad guys down (of course shots to the head everytime a bad guy peeks like in the movies is even better). A lot of ammo is very helpful.

    Everyone has a favorite weapon and for different reasons. When I choose I take into account where I'm going to use the weapon. Since my experience is pretty conventional I shy away from the esoteric COOL weapons. You see you can't cross level ammo in the heat of the fight if your buddy uses a different weapon (of course this does not apply to 6mm BB's or paintball). Its hard to find spare parts in acombat zone (mags included).

    I always chuckle at folks who prefer soviet block weapons. Besides their pros and cons you do know they sound different than "friendly" weapons? Hearing an AK in the next room might draw a grenade or a burst of 5.56 in the dark.

    Not trying to rain on anyone's parade just a "little" dose of reality.

    Pukingdog VERY FUNNY!!!
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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    yes it was in reference to pistol ammo in reference to another post.

    dependent on the type of ammunition used in rifles can increase barrier penetration. i am with you on all the rifle stuff as i own the first four on the list and have had my share of time behind a trigger in foreign lands.

    i have been packing the p14.45 limited for a decade or so, since i am not getting any younger or slimmer i now pack the M&P 40. its a weight off the belt that's for sure. now i am working on getting the M&P 45.

    by the way, ak's jam a lot.
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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    I can't comment too much on long guns (except it would be a lot bigger than a .223) but for a side-arm I miss my Springfield factory compensated in .40 S & W. It was a tack-driver, and at least if not more accurate than my S & W 586 .357 mag.

    (Now this is probably a hanging offence in the US, but I wouldn't have a 1911 .45 ACP unless it was the last gun in the world and I was surrounded by zombies. I've never shot one - including Gold Cups and race guns - that I could shoot accurately. But that's probably just me).

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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    I would carry what Agent J(jay) /james Edwards (will smith carry) in Men in Black.


    Seriously speaking an Ak47 though,saw it in a documentary it requires minimal maintenance(or perhaps I'm just too lazy).Saw on the documentary it still can fire with it's muzzle slightly bent?
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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    Best to you Danger Close.

    Action Man - no problem. A lot of folks have had the same issue. Its an American man thing. : P (just pulling your chain a little).

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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    Always have and always will luvs the 1911A1, tho they are a bit like White Castles. My Model29 falls into the "different tools for different jobs" category. The Model 500 S&W 4" I shot, if you hit the guy, I believe he's going down, and bonus - his buds will be dazed by the muzzle flash, if not incinerated by it, LOL. Admittedly, the real drawback to revolvers is round capacity.

    Concerning shot placement, I've always remembered a story from the old American Rifleman "Armed Citizen" column:
    Two guys in a line at a hardware store got into an arguement, the one guy pulls a .25 automatic and puts rounds into the second guy at close range, all in the forehead.
    The guy falls back into a tool display, sprawled out. As the shooter is somewhat civil, he doesn't put any more rounds into the guy, but leans in to confirm status.
    That's when one of the downed guy's hands close around a LHRN shovel handle, and he whangs the gunmen in the skull.

    The shovel guy lives, all those slow FMJs ran around under the skin, rather than penetrating the skull. The gunmen is dead from masive head trauma.

    There's a whole world of weaponry out there, including a lot of items not normally considered for lethal application. I guess to me the first choice would involve experience and comfort, and after that, adaptability.

    If that guy's 25 had only been a 25mm 2-shot Bushmaster derringer.
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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    Quote Originally Posted by major.rod View Post
    Action Man - no problem. A lot of folks have had the same issue. Its an American man thing. : P (just pulling your chain a little).


    I did have a friend who could use one - he worked in a gun shop in Jo'burg. Got the bus home one day and two guys came at him with knives - he put a .45 ACP into each of their heads, dead before they hit the floor. An SAP (South African Police) cop Said "Juss, that's only bloody good shooting heh?"

    When I was in SA there was a report about an SAP (South African Police) cop putting 9 or 10 9mm's into a guy who then proceeded to spear the cop and kill him. The 9mm's were through and through's.

    (Whilst I was there I bought a 2nd hand 4" Colt Python which came with 3 holster - one was an ankle holster, complete with sheepskin lining! I tried it once for a laugh, it was like walking around with an anchor stuck to your leg, and you would have needed huge bell-bottoms to hide it.)

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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    i believe that the .25 story relates to shot placement. to many variables in life, but the forehead has been known to deflect some bullets. recent story about a police officer shooting the hostage taker in the head with a single mp5 9mm. he lived but it knocked him the hell out.
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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    Good stories pukingdog, action man, danger close.

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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    m16a1. hands down in all cases. even law enforcement still uses it. or an m1 carbine.

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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    Quote Originally Posted by Pvt. Ryan HOH View Post
    The Ump is awesome... I shot the Civillian USC carbine version... Great accuracy compaired to an UZI...

    The Round is also larger... You can get a UMP in 9mm/.40 call too though.

    The Uzi is a little out dated in my eye, and a UMP is more versitale (modular rails can be added)


    you forgot .45 ACP ...

    Die UMP gibt es in nur einer militärischen Ausführung, diese allerdings in drei unterschiedlichen Kalibern: Die UMP in 9 × 19 mm, .40 S&W und .45 ACP. Äußerlich sind die Varianten nicht leicht zu unterscheiden, abgesehen von der Magazinform (nur .45- ACP-Varianten nutzen ein gerades Magazin) und den Beschriftungen.

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    Re: Which is your weapon of choice? // AKs, MPs, M4s, FN, etc..

    the M1 Garand in 7.65x51 nato is still my favorite.

    Styer and Sig made a copycat of this gun for a short time and i grap one of these.

    i can shoot it with caliber size rubber balls only but its fun like hell.


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