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    Quote Originally Posted by saw249man
    I just ordered the book Fireforce from Chris Cocks and will be ordering the book The Saints soon as some reading material.
    Good reading. Chris Cocks is a great bloke. He was very helpful when I wrote an article on the RLI for a French military history magazine some years ago. I had the chance to met him and his charming wife at the Launch of The Saints in London this late June, as well as many other veterans of the Bush War. They were all very friendly to that odd Froggy who had an interest in their combat. The Saints is a brilliant book, worth every penny (or cent).

    May I suggest you purchase Dennis Croukamp 's book The Bush War in Rhodesia as well. A great personal memoir by a former RLI and Selous Scout operator.

    Cheers
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    I suppose you know that Yves Debay, the noted french war journalist and regular contributor to both 'Raids' and 'Combat & Survival', is also ex-RLI?

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    Here's a nutty one, Bruce Grobelaar, Liverpooly FC goalkeeping legend and inventor of the famed 'Sapgehtti Legs' penalty saving technique, was a one time Selous Scout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by filupe
    I suppose you know that Yves Debay, the noted french war journalist and regular contributor to both 'Raids' and 'Combat & Survival', is also ex-RLI?
    I know Yves, though I haven't met him for quite a while. Actually, he is Belgian, and was in the RhACR.

    Eric

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    I worked with an electrician here in the midwest, who'd served in the RLI. Saw a copy of his commission, as well as that of his father's (Selous Scouts). He'd apparently taken a fair amount of ribbing for his half-Brit roots.
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    Ah well, second or third hand sources - go figure!

    Below is some scans of a part of a very interesting article Military Illustrated did on South African Police camouflage some years ago ...




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    A few Rhodesian things in my collection :

    Chest webbing :



    Battle jackets :





    Jump helmet :



    Eric

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    Two items worn by SADF 32 Bn :

    Green nylon chest webbing, worn early 1980s :



    Battle jacket in DPM camo, seen during Ops Modular/Hooper in 1987-88.





    Eric

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    Picture taken at a Rhodesian Army Association exhibition in UK 2 years ago.



    Eric

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    From my collection, Rhodesian Shirt and vest. Note the combat rank on the shirt sleeve.


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    Rhodesian SAS shirt :


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    Rhodesian OG uniform that was used by RhSAS and Selous Scouts during cross-border ops.









    And finally (for the time being ), anti-tracking boots.


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    Anyone know where I can find a South African M-83 Nutria vest for sale or a PLCE 95 in Desert DPM? I have seen crappy knockoffs from Cheaper Than Dirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Saint View Post
    Picture taken at a Rhodesian Army Association exhibition in UK 2 years ago.



    Eric
    The Saint or Filupe,
    do you guys have any info on those "sexy" black shorts.
    Are they issue or just a civi pair?
    I could use a pair with my Rhodesian display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Saint View Post
    Rhodesian OG uniform that was used by RhSAS and Selous Scouts during cross-border ops.


    And finally (for the time being ), anti-tracking boots.

    The OG uniform is awsome.

    I know that members of MACV SOG used to put socks or rice sacks over their boots when operating close to the HCM Trail for the same reason.

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    This certainly is becoming a treasure trove of Rhod/Sth African militaria ...

    As for the shorts .. I think the green ones with the elasticated waistband are probably issue, cannot comment on the black ones. Have also seen camo ones made as shorts .. not just cut down trousers.

    Might have to pick up a pair at the local footy club .. or did they play 'rugger' ???

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    I have a brown/coyote tan vest i picked up 15 years ago which i was told was South African. It's seems to be the original 'Viper' one you see loads of camo colored ones you see in surplus shops now.

    It has like 20+ pockets and pouches and seems to be one size fits all too. Will post pictures later. BTW at the time of purchase i was using it myself in the Armed forces so it has been modded slightly .

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    I added camo to it using face paint and magic marker

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    B2Z,
    i would say that your vest is a genuine SA M83. The cheap copies that infest surplus stores and eBay are much more recent. BTW, the "brown/coyote tan" is called "nutria" in the SA Army.

    Re-the black shorts, I think they were issue as well, as they appear from time to time alongside the OG ones in pictures. They have exactly the same cut (with one small internal pocket) as a pair of OG shorts in my collection.

    Eric

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Saint View Post
    B2Z,
    i would say that your vest is a genuine SA M83. The cheap copies that infest surplus stores and eBay are much more recent. BTW, the "brown/coyote tan" is called "nutria" in the SA Army.
    Are they worth much now ? I think i paid £20 ($40usd) from a Surplus Shop near the camp. The shop also had the bergen to match which was about 120lts in size. The shop also had them in black with black bergens but as we all know black isn't very good to use in the field so i chose the brown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo_2_Zero View Post
    Are they worth much now ?
    Apparently about GBP 50 :

    http://www.onpatrol.co.uk/unitrader/shop/product/173

    They seems to be quite hard to obtain outside SA.

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    South African 'Slangvel' paratroopers jump smock - front view



    South African 'Slangvel' paratroopers jump smock - rear view



    South African 'Slangvel' paratroopers jump smock - tag


    South African National Defence Force camo cold weather jacket



    Zimbabwean chest rig
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    Anyone know where I can get SA gear and uniforms? All I could find is knock-off stuff in ebay and some military surplus stores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercenary25 View Post
    Anyone know where I can get SA gear and uniforms? All I could find is knock-off stuff in ebay and some military surplus stores.
    You may have a look there :

    http://www.southernafricamilitaria.com/

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    A few other things from my Rhodie collection :

    Webbing - the braces are South African '64 Pat, the other components Rhodie '69 Pat :



    Issue leather boots, with crepe soles :



    Rhodesian Denison smock, originally made in the mid-1960s, but worn by individuals up to the end.




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    A book I've recently finished reading, André Diedericks' "Journey Without Boundaries", the story of a Recce officer in the 1970s and 1980s.



    http://www.justdone.co.za/catalog/pr...roducts_id/141

    If ever you want to purchase the book, be sure to order the SA version which has colour photographs, rather than the international version which has B&W photos (I've myself made the mistake).
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    Several nice books there, the full link didn't work for me, but the shortened version did - http://www.justdone.co.za/catalog/
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    Quote Originally Posted by filupe View Post

    Nice pictures Filupe!

    What publication is this plate from? It doesn't look like Osprey...

    Cheers

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