New Product | DID:Grenadier 6th Sturmbataillon 1917-1918 Special Edition

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Grenadier 6th Sturmbataillon 1917-1918 Special Edition
Lutz Fedder
ITEM NO: D11008
AVAILABLE ON: Early Sept. 2012
*Special Edition ONLY Helmet Painting Design!
*TWO helmets included (Clean & Dirty).
**100% HAND-MADE REALISTIC BATTLEFIELD WEATHERING






Special Edition ONLY Helmet Painting Design!












TWO helmets included (Clean & Dirty).

[Otto.Skorzeny]

Did is an equal opportunity manufacturer, so they always remember about disabled collectors...

[DDUAUAIDW]

Applying dirt does not hide the flaws..

[gunm]

No, the weathering is not meant to hide flaws, it is just to provide a variation on the subject.

I think the manufacturer does not mean to make museum-quality figures with pinpoint accuracy, just artistic figures that represent a theme.

I suspect it is that much more costly to strive for the most accurate gear, BDU, molds, etc., and since this is such a niche market, it is probably not worth it for the company to overwhelm themselves with detail for comparatively little gain.

I think there is always going to be an element left open to individual collectors to tweak and change what they want on 1/6 figures, models, what have you.

[rogerbee]

They're getting good at that.

CHEERS!

[DDUAUAIDW]

Originally Posted by gunm

No, the weathering is not meant to hide flaws, it is just to provide a variation on the subject.

I think the manufacturer does not mean to make museum-quality figures with pinpoint accuracy, just artistic figures that represent a theme.

I suspect it is that much more costly to strive for the most accurate gear, BDU, molds, etc., and since this is such a niche market, it is probably not worth it for the company to overwhelm themselves with detail for comparatively little gain.

I think there is always going to be an element left open to individual collectors to tweak and change what they want on 1/6 figures, models, what have you.

I was being sarcastic.
Why are they asking top dollar for a half-assed product?

I don't understand your "niche" comment because there were always plenty of potential buyers out there, especially now with 2014 approaching, but because there were so very few WW1 figures produced there were obviously not much buyers.

Everyone can modify their figures but if a figure comes with a uniform that is completely off, it's not called modifying but tailoring!

DiD knows perfectly about details but they need new researchers.

[gunm]

1/6 is a niche of toys and WWI is a niche of 1/6.

As I said, I don't think DID wants to make museum-quality figures, just artistic ones that "represent" a theme. They have their reasons or reasoning as to why they don't take their research or effort to the degree you expect and it is what it is--you can buy or not, it's up to you.

I am the first to complain about prices, but I think what you are requesting would result in a higher priced figure than even what is being asked with this one.

[montañes]

It cost the same to do a tunic and a trouser right instead wrong.

I prefer to save money for a better product than this one, don´t care about the manufacturer.

Jaime.

[Pickle Munkey]

...could make a sweeeeet WH40k Steel Legion trooper out of this...

[gunm]

Originally Posted by montañes

It cost the same to do a tunic and a trouser right instead wrong.

I prefer to save money for a better product than this one, don´t care about the manufacturer.

Jaime.

Not necessarily. If they only had the "wrong" patterns cut, then they'd save money versus having to cut and fit brand new patterns which would require more time and efforts.

I think you have the right idea though. Vote with your money. If no one buys, they will have to change their methods, or stop altogether.

[vart]

I don't think the tunic or pants are that wrong. And I strongly believe they can easily be fixed by easy work on it.
Gents, please oh please don't buy it if you don't want to buy it, but please oh please stop claiming it at every post on the subject.
Or please oh please do it for every figure that is being produced by any manufacturer since they all have items that are not absolutely accurate.
It's really getting tiring to hear that systematic bashing that doesn't bring any value added.
Thank you so much.

[montañes]

Originally Posted by vart

I don't think the tunic or pants are that wrong. And I strongly believe they can easily be fixed by easy work on it.
Gents, please oh please don't buy it if you don't want to buy it, but please oh please stop claiming it at every post on the subject.
Or please oh please do it for every figure that is being produced by any manufacturer since they all have items that are not absolutely accurate.
It's really getting tiring to hear that systematic bashing that doesn't bring any value added.
Thank you so much.

North americans use to say freedom of speach, it applies for both of us.

Let me say, IMHO, "easily fixed" is to be quite generous with Did.

Anyway, the vote of our wallets will say what we want or not.

Cheers,

Jaime.

[Kurt-Heinrich1917]

Hallo!

A friend of mine is a Hollywood art and set director. He once shared a problem with me when the director of the Denzel Washington movie "Courage under Fire" chewed him out for wanting to make Iraqi tanks more true-to-life or "authentic..." yelling that there were only four people in the country who knew the difference and he was already talking to one of the four. (MY friend threatened to paint "Iraqi Tank" in two foot high white letters on the turrets...)

IMHO we approach this broad hobby with our own needs and wants. On one end of the spectum are lads who are happy with stuff out of the box. On the other end are lads who want exacting miniatures not just artisic representations, close-enoughs, and wrong stuff passing for what is historically/factually correct/right.
Just as there are lads who are most happy opneing a box and taking pictures of posed figures. And lads who kit-bash, replace, rework, retailor, resew, resculpt, repaint, and otherwise strive to make a 1:6 figure a true exact scale miniature that if posed and/or placed in "diorama" or miniature set can come close to the "look' of actual Real World soldiers in Period images.

"Easily fixed" is both objective and subjective. (One man's meat being another man's poison.)

It is said we teach people how to treat us in Life.

And that dynamic is often that if we buy "lower quality" and less factually accurate" stuff it teaches makers that we will buy anything they want to make and sell.
While the other side of the coin is tha tif do not buy, it kills the incentive for anyone to want to develop, produce, and market stuff.

So, IMHO, that leaves Hobby supply-and-demand economics on one side of the coin.. and the chicken and the egg on the other.

IF there were "more" WWI figures, would there be a larger WWI Community? IF there were a larger WWI Community, would there be more WWI figures??

For my hobby needs, wants, and interests... I will be, am, semi-glad to run with these figures, and then work and strive on the Sliding Scale of Imperfection" to make them more like "'reality" or "history" as exacting miniatures of WWI material culture rather than "G.I. Joes."

(Different purpose, different intent, diffferent focus, perhaps minority 1:6 Community hobby segment or community.)

But yes.. I would prefer to spend by money on what is miniaturely Correct... than what is wrong or incorrect. But I might be like the director's "four people in the country.) Plus I cannot turn sows' ears into silk purses, but there can be fun in trying. For some lads...

Others' mileage, and Hobby.. will vary...

What will the Centennial of WWI bring for us?

[onesixthpolice]

Originally Posted by gunm

Not necessarily. If they only had the "wrong" patterns cut, then they'd save money versus having to cut and fit brand new patterns which would require more time and efforts

That's the dumbest thing I ever heard! If they made sure they had the correct pattern in the first place, then they'd make it correctly, with no more cost to them.

It has been said time and time and time again.....it costs no more money to make something that's correct over something that's incorrect........and to buy/ support something shoddy only leads to them continuing along that route.

[gunm]

Originally Posted by onesixthpolice

That's the dumbest thing I ever heard! If they made sure they had the correct pattern in the first place, then they'd make it correctly, with no more cost to them.

It has been said time and time and time again.....it costs no more money to make something that's correct over something that's incorrect........and to buy/ support something shoddy only leads to them continuing along that route.

Number one, the photos are of a prototype--will things stay the same upon release?

Number two, if they really did cut the patterns and did the fittings incorrectly, it will cost them money and time to re-do new ones. If that is the dumbest thing you've ever heard of, you haven't been on the Internet long enough, lol.

If I was bothered by the constant complaints about accuracy before, now I'm just resigned to you let you guys go to town while DID continues to just make the product whatever way they see fit.

[muzzer]

Originally Posted by Kurt-Heinrich1917

Hallo!

A friend of mine is a Hollywood art and set director. He once shared a problem with me when the director of the Denzel Washington movie "Courage under Fire" chewed him out for wanting to make Iraqi tanks more true-to-life or "authentic..." yelling that there were only four people in the country who knew the difference and he was already talking to one of the four. (MY friend threatened to paint "Iraqi Tank" in two foot high white letters on the turrets...)

IMHO we approach this broad hobby with our own needs and wants. On one end of the spectum are lads who are happy with stuff out of the box. On the other end are lads who want exacting miniatures not just artisic representations, close-enoughs, and wrong stuff passing for what is historically/factually correct/right.
Just as there are lads who are most happy opneing a box and taking pictures of posed figures. And lads who kit-bash, replace, rework, retailor, resew, resculpt, repaint, and otherwise strive to make a 1:6 figure a true exact scale miniature that if posed and/or placed in "diorama" or miniature set can come close to the "look' of actual Real World soldiers in Period images.

"Easily fixed" is both objective and subjective. (One man's meat being another man's poison.)

It is said we teach people how to treat us in Life.

And that dynamic is often that if we buy "lower quality" and less factually accurate" stuff it teaches makers that we will buy anything they want to make and sell.
While the other side of the coin is tha tif do not buy, it kills the incentive for anyone to want to develop, produce, and market stuff.

So, IMHO, that leaves Hobby supply-and-demand economics on one side of the coin.. and the chicken and the egg on the other.

IF there were "more" WWI figures, would there be a larger WWI Community? IF there were a larger WWI Community, would there be more WWI figures??

For my hobby needs, wants, and interests... I will be, am, semi-glad to run with these figures, and then work and strive on the Sliding Scale of Imperfection" to make them more like "'reality" or "history" as exacting miniatures of WWI material culture rather than "G.I. Joes."

(Different purpose, different intent, diffferent focus, perhaps minority 1:6 Community hobby segment or community.)

But yes.. I would prefer to spend by money on what is miniaturely Correct... than what is wrong or incorrect. But I might be like the director's "four people in the country.) Plus I cannot turn sows' ears into silk purses, but there can be fun in trying. For some lads...

Others' mileage, and Hobby.. will vary...

What will the Centennial of WWI bring for us?

Well said that man. My two cents are personally I love DiDs stuff they may not be 100% all the time but what manufacturer is, anyone who kitbashes their models is always going to be tweaking to achieve desired effect, that's part of the fun.. and getting back on topic, I think this particular release is ok, needs tweaking , the helmet looks wrong(personally I've always got issues with DIDs helmets except their oldschool WWII American m1c steel pots they were excellent) the head sculpt is top notch(DIDs strongest point) its definitely something you can work with.

[DDUAUAIDW]

Originally Posted by gunm

I suspect it is that much more costly to strive for the most accurate gear, BDU, molds, etc., and since this is such a niche market, it is probably not worth it for the company to overwhelm themselves with detail for comparatively little gain.

Have a look here:
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A stunning looking and above all, historical accurate figure for just $119.99 !

[tsatsos]

Besides any accuracy issues, which are probably the rule for about all mass produced items, I still don't get why someone would pay more to have a figure smudged with brown acrylic paint!

[Action Lover]

I love the helmet!
I also like the SMG