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    The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    See subject.

    It's human nature to be envious and jealous at times.

    The preceding is very applicable and true when it comes to the 1:6 hobby or any hobby.

    If you managed to procure a lot of 1:6 figures over the years at various prices ranging from bargain to whatever the MSRP was at the time, then you would price/sell them at whatever you deem appropriate or whatever you want knowing what you price them at may not appear attractive or reasonable to buyers because the unsaid motive for buyers is usually pay at little as possible because it's a buyer's market more or less . . . short of something that is really rare/special and very desired by collectors who know the rarity and value of the item.

    We've all been through this many times.

    Recently, I posted elsewhere a few 1:6 items that I have multiples of within my collection. The items are from 10 or more years ago. I don't need the money and not in any dire circumstances to must sell.

    I sold a few items and was satisfied with the $ made.

    I had one potential buyer express hostility towards me. The potential buyer felt my pricing was unfair by claiming to know what I supposedly paid and their going rates and felt my pricing mark up was unfair for new and old buyers who missed out on them many years back and I should sell them for X percentage and I need to consider passing "karma" by selling them at what I paid for or possibly less in terms of overall good will.

    My reply was simply, "Thank you for your consideration."

    I left it that.

    I wasn't irate/upset. If it was some years ago, I would have been, but why? I figured the potential buyer was envious/jealous and left it that.

    Why do some absolutely feel this way? Is it just pure pettiness or do they believe/feel their perspective is very valid?

    Some years back I had the good fortune of buying an obscene cache of boxed CY GIRL figures from a local retailer for unbelievable low price. I posted about it in a CY GIRL focused collector discussion group. I received a few message "demanding" I share in my good fortune for the price I paid or lower than what I paid as an obligation to the group.

    I did no such thing. I did sell off some figures I broke down for parts for around what I paid (i.e. parts I didn't need/want). I found out after the fact, some members of the group privately were "butt hurt" that I refused to share in my good fortune with them at my cost or loss just because.

    I feel like I've come full circle again in some respects. It's almost as if there is unsaid and unwritten rule you must sell at a loss and how dare you make a profit on a sale to a collector?

    Buying from our usual sources for the greatest and latest 1:6 offerings is stressful enough due to the high prices and such.

    Posting 1:6 stuff to sell to free up room in our 1:6 collection is already perplexing . . . especially those who are in a time and $ crunch for whatever reasons.

    Is envy/jealousy within the 1:6 hobby when it comes to selling still the same or has it gotten a bit more pointed?
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

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    The relationship of money vs love of the hobby is always going to be a complicated and unpleasant subject especially because we may share a commonality as to love of the hobby but some of us may be in very different life circumstances. Someone may have a standing order for two of every HT figure to keep one MIB and one to open, while someone else may be saving up for a figure by skipping one MacDonalds meal a week. The frustration of the second person may be trivialized if we name it "envy/jealousy." I'm lucky enough to be somewhere in the middle and I know that "If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself." If anything has "gotten a bit more pointed," I wouldn't necessarily call it envy/jealousy, but rather that people may be suffering more economic issues in general even as the hobby has gotten more expensive. Which is the kind of sad fact I come to the hobby to get away from.

    Maybe them "unsaid realities" are unsaid for good reason.
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    I think you're giving yourself too much credit in thinking that the guy was displaying any envy/jealousy toward your stuff....it sounds to me like he was pissed that they were priced what they were, and he wanted them to be cheaper....don't know how that could be construed as jealousy....
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by onesixthpolice View Post
    I think you're giving yourself too much credit in thinking that the guy was displaying any envy/jealousy toward your stuff....it sounds to me like he was pissed that they were priced what they were, and he wanted them to be cheaper....don't know how that could be construed as jealousy....
    I agree, I think jealousy is the wrong word to use. The guy was just not happy. I've had it loads and mostly when I sell stuff on, its lower than I paid for originally, but you're in your right to charge what you deem is fit
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    It is human nature to want more for less. I have been buying recently and I have paid way over the odds for some things. I don't blame the seller, i blame myself for being impetuous. Other things that I wanted but made myself wait for have vanished which is frustrating too. I see why you say it is jealousy/envy on the part of the people who are pestering you. They envy your good fortune and they want in on it. But luck is as much about perspective as anything else.

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Perhaps he did know your purchase price and found your profit margin unpalatable, I,m sure your not gonna lose any sleep over it. BTW. What do you think the Blackbird pilots will go for in a years time??

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Its your business/decision (et) to sell an item at whatever price you choose. No one but you can determine that. And the same is true of the buyer and how much they are willing to spend. It's amazing how much collecting of 1/6 scale figures is "taken personally. "
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    With no intention to be heartless, I think there's something wrong with that buyer's mental faculties. People generally process situations within the boundaries of reason, like, if I don't pay my water bill, I won't get to flush my toilet. But there are those in a certain state of mind who process things in convoluted ways in which they are victims and others they interact with are plotting against them in one form or another. However, in those other situations mentioned, I think there's just a certain entitlement mindset out there, along the lines of jealousy as you mentioned, but maybe rooted in some group, socialist mindset.

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    There's a generational gap in the world and the 1/6 world, which I think may influence a lot of what you're talking about.
    Younger generations have a "What are you going to do for me"
    mentality and get hurt, angry and even defensive when you don't give into their every demand.
    I'm not saying that's 100% of those generations, but it is a large majority.

    I know people hate when something like that is said, but it exist. It's not a generalization, it's universal.
    When you get a wide range of ages in any group, it's easy to tell how old someone is by their comments
    in threads, emails and other forms of social media. It defines them pretty quickly, no matter what part of the
    world they're from.

    But just like any generation, they live on, learn and change as they age.
    Then they'll be saying something just like this 10 years from now when the
    next generation comes into play and they don't like how they act.

    It's a vicious never ending circle that flows over into all aspects of life.

    Say that 10 times fast....

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by mike45 View Post
    Perhaps he did know your purchase price and found your profit margin unpalatable, I,m sure your not gonna lose any sleep over it. BTW. What do you think the Blackbird pilots will go for in a years time??
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    I'd say at least a $50.00 to $100.00 mark up provided all known retail sources are SOLD OUT on their end as well as DAMTOYS being out of stock as well. The mark ups will be by those who ordered extras, etc.; however, I don't know if the hobby market demand sustain such a mark up given the original BBI U-2 pilot figure have not plummeted in price as some predicted along with the potential of a final U-2/SR-71 pilot figure inspired by James Garner's character to complete "Team 1:6 Daedalus".
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    There,s a few factors involved, but it will be interesting to see how it pans out. I still think a Gemini Astronaut twin pack would be a winner.
    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaForceChung View Post
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    I'd say at least a $50.00 to $100.00 mark up provided all known retail sources are SOLD OUT on their end as well as DAMTOYS being out of stock as well. The mark ups will be by those who ordered extras, etc.; however, I don't know if the hobby market demand sustain such a mark up given the original BBI U-2 pilot figure have not plummeted in price as some predicted along with the potential of a final U-2/SR-71 pilot figure inspired by James Garner's character to complete "Team 1:6 Daedalus".

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    If they really want to get my attention they need to put out a 1/6th scale SR71 blackbird airplane!

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    People will always be annoyed when rare or extremely limited figures are snapped up, sometimes in bulk. They miss out and, playing Devil's advocate here, are left wondering why someone would buy them in bulk. I think that's where the jealousy comes in.

    My only personal gripe is people buying multiples of rare figures or accessories as an investment - their intention is to sell at huge mark-ups once they've gone from the open market. That's not collecting in my book.

    Luckily I can pretty much get what I'm after (normally cheaper than expected heh heh) so if people want to play their silly games that's up to them.

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Not sure to follow you down this road DFC, with all respect due of course...

    in your post you first say as a critic that "the unsaid motive for buyers is to pay as little as possible", but then you proudly describe the way you got a pack of old or rare figures for a bargain... Isn't that a bit of a paradox...?

    You even shared that experience on a forum, but when fellow collectors ask you to really share your good fortune, you feel attacked and refuse... Are they all naturally jealous or didn't you create that situation to inspire jealousy amongst them...? what was the intent behind posting your experience as it was not to share for real? Was it just to create envy around you? In my world that's what we call an "attention who.e" behaviour... So when you ask yourself about their valid perspective, did you ask yourself if your perspective was valid at first...?

    Even today, your post is all about making profit by reselling figures and the way you were hurt when people found your pricing too high... Still you start by stating you don't need money and don't need to sell anything... so what is the purpose? would you find valid that the buyer you mention opens a thread here titled "the unsaid reality of 1/6 collecting, greed and selfishness" ?

    just my point of view, sorry in advance if it hurts you, but as you opened this thread I guess and hope it was in order to get honest and sincere opinions...

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by blackpool View Post
    Not sure to follow you down this road DFC, with all respect due of course...

    in your post you first say as a critic that "the unsaid motive for buyers is to pay as little as possible", but then you proudly describe the way you got a pack of old or rare figures for a bargain... Isn't that a bit of a paradox...?

    You even shared that experience on a forum, but when fellow collectors ask you to really share your good fortune, you feel attacked and refuse... Are they all naturally jealous or didn't you create that situation to inspire jealousy amongst them...? what was the intent behind posting your experience as it was not to share for real? Was it just to create envy around you? In my world that's what we call an "attention who.e" behaviour... So when you ask yourself about their valid perspective, did you ask yourself if your perspective was valid at first...?

    Even today, your post is all about making profit by reselling figures and the way you were hurt when people found your pricing too high... Still you start by stating you don't need money and don't need to sell anything... so what is the purpose? would you find valid that the buyer you mention opens a thread here titled "the unsaid reality of 1/6 collecting, greed and selfishness" ?

    just my point of view, sorry in advance if it hurts you, but as you opened this thread I guess and hope it was in order to get honest and sincere opinions...
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    agreed bro, my opinion was only about that specific situation you described and not about you personally, but as you know sometimes the "distance" implied with internet, forums, words can have a different weight, just the difference between spoken and written... anyway glad you didn't take it wrong.

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    it's called your being a capitalist...plain and simple. if he doesn't want to pay your prices he doesn't have to. he just wont get what he wanted from you. i think you handled the situation well, based on what you said.
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    If they want it bad enough, they'll pay whatever price the market will bear. It's just business. As a seller, I want to get as much as possible, and as a buyer, I want to get it for as little as possible. No reason to get emotional on either end if a sale is not meant to be.

    I get the impression that some collectors go way over budget. When something comes up and they don't have the dosh, they become really disappointed. I've seen crazy requests in BST sites to hold things until money is scraped together. Then someone with the funds swoops in and buys it, and the first person becomes upset. It's an expensive hobby at the end of the day and only becoming more so.

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    I think you handled it pretty well.

    Personally it can be tough when you're on the hunt for an older, or out of production figure, and see them only at great mark-ups...I'm on the hunt for a couple Fleet Troopers, which regularly retailed for around $60/$80, and have recently been listed for $300 on Ebay.
    It all boils down to this essentially: If someone doesn't agree with, or like your price, they do not have to purchase from you. With patience something more to their liking will possibly come up. Eventually. Maybe.

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    The fact that we can have a calm and rational worthwhile discussion on a topic like this shows how far the community have matured.

    A discussion like this some years back would likely have yielded some very strong responses, but I believe many of us have matured/tempered since our early hey days. I know I have considering my posting style and how rancorous I can be at times.

    Thank you to all who chimed in with their perspectives and please continue to do so.

    I believe our growth and understanding as 1:6 collectors/hobbyists is not necessarily just about "the score", but also the sometimes intangible aspects behind "the score" as well.
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaForceChung View Post
    The fact that we can have a calm and rational worthwhile discussion on a topic like this shows how far the community have matured.
    Amen to that. I can remember other boards I was member of in the past, and consequently left due to the heated talking and inability to discuss. Definitely nice to see
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    This hobby is, in part, a market. As with all markets the idea is to buy low and sell high.

    I think the generation that grew up...or is currently growing up...getting participation trophies instead of clear cut winners/losers or pink triangles on a report card instead of letter grades (we don't want any hurt feelings or inferiority complexes) has a hard time understanding that.

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by blackpool View Post
    Not sure to follow you down this road DFC, with all respect due of course...

    in your post you first say as a critic that "the unsaid motive for buyers is to pay as little as possible", but then you proudly describe the way you got a pack of old or rare figures for a bargain... Isn't that a bit of a paradox...?

    You even shared that experience on a forum, but when fellow collectors ask you to really share your good fortune, you feel attacked and refuse... Are they all naturally jealous or didn't you create that situation to inspire jealousy amongst them...? what was the intent behind posting your experience as it was not to share for real? Was it just to create envy around you? In my world that's what we call an "attention who.e" behaviour... So when you ask yourself about their valid perspective, did you ask yourself if your perspective was valid at first...?

    Even today, your post is all about making profit by reselling figures and the way you were hurt when people found your pricing too high... Still you start by stating you don't need money and don't need to sell anything... so what is the purpose? would you find valid that the buyer you mention opens a thread here titled "the unsaid reality of 1/6 collecting, greed and selfishness" ?

    just my point of view, sorry in advance if it hurts you, but as you opened this thread I guess and hope it was in order to get honest and sincere opinions...
    Yea, but the thing is, they didn't ask...they "demanded" like DFC was somehow obligated to share in his good luck. If these people want those kinds of deals then they can get off their lazy butts and network, get to know retailers and people in whatever hobby they are into. Let's face it, if you're friends with retailers, they are more likely to give you first shot at things. But a lot of people nowadays are all about the rewards without putting in any effort...In my mind, for example, if I know someone paid $10 for a figure and wants to sell it to me for $20, my only concern is if it's worth the $20 to me, don't care what they paid...

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    It seems pretty common where people kick themselves for missing the chance to buy something when it was available, whether a sale or regular price product. That frustration at times gets redirected towards those who do have the product. In my own selling experiences it isn't limited to a specific demographic. There is a broader cultural shift where people don't value things like they might once have and assume everything should be sold discounted or on the cheap.
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamC View Post
    It seems pretty common where people kick themselves for missing the chance to buy something when it was available, whether a sale or regular price product. That frustration at times gets redirected towards those who do have the product. In my own selling experiences it isn't limited to a specific demographic. There is a broader cultural shift where people don't value things like they might once have and assume everything should be sold discounted or on the cheap.
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    There is a mindset among some that believes that MSRP and secondary market prices today should still be what they were from 1998 to 2005.

    I remember when many balked at $100.00 MSRP figures and then prices creeped up to what we're paying as normal/standard nowadays.

    So how and why the cultural shift as it applies to the 1:6 hobby occurred?

    Why did some just go with the flow and some are still very hesitant and resistant? For those who of who compromised and/or were selective, did we gravitate towards one end or the other as a buyer and seller (if applicable)?
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaForceChung View Post
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    There is a mindset among some that believes that MSRP and secondary market prices today should still be what they were from 1998 to 2005.

    I remember when many balked at $100.00 MSRP figures and then prices creeped up to what we're paying as normal/standard nowadays.
    Aftermarket always comes at a premium, but price creep on regular products is an issue for many, even if it isn't unique to the hobby. I can't imagine trying to collect (beyond buying the occasional figure once a year say) something like hot toys these days.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaForceChung View Post
    So how and why the cultural shift as it applies to the 1:6 hobby occurred?

    Why did some just go with the flow and some are still very hesitant and resistant? For those who of who compromised and/or were selective, did we gravitate towards one end or the other as a buyer and seller (if applicable)?
    Trickle down from the broader changes in other goods and spending. Take categories like music, movies, and games. There is an expectation they should be free, and if not so, at the very least heavily discounted. The traditional brick and mortal retail model is failing and in general, a discounting model is replacing that and consumer messaging reflects that. I've worked in retail/etail for many years now and the difference in consumer attitudes has changed drastically. To give you an example, when Sony released the Grand Wega tv it was priced here at something like $100 per inch of tv, and there were lengthy waiting lists that stretched for months to buy one. Now people want a 4K big screen tv for $2-300. I can't buy a physical copy of many recent pc games because not enough of the same audience that spends thousands of dollars on their gaming machines is willing to spend say $30 to get a bluray drive so they can install a physical copy, and that is because many of them think the idea of buying a bluray movie is sacrilege. Consequently publishers can't rationalize the cost to get a disc stamped and send it out into retail distribution, with the knowledge it will probably be pirated with a few months.

    As an experiment add up what you might pay for your phone, tv, and internet versus years ago and what that means for the leftover fun money to spend. Now adjust that for potential household size. At one time that used to cost my household $50 or less. Now it costs enough that I could be making a car payment on a reasonably nice vehicle instead. Combine things of that nature with the above and you can understand why people have certain expectations with respect to pricing, regardless of the type of product. People are always going to be predisposed towards paying the least or getting the most for their money, but there are other things driving it as well. When people have more discretionary funds price sensitivity is usually less. Not a lot of thought when into buying a $20 figure, considerably more goes into buying a $300 one.

    For 1:6 I just buy when I find the price reasonable and I stick to my main interests. I go with the flow because I have some insight into what it costs to get things made, what margins are like, and what sell through and sales cycles look like. As for what you sell at, it either reflects what you value something at or what you need to charge to maintain an ongoing business. The average buyer isn't that likely to either have much insight into either of those or give it much thought.
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Isn't the whole collectible market, 1/6 or otherwise, based on the more rare, or older, or quickly sold out, the more expensive? I would love a DID Eric Cuirassier, but he's passed the $1000 mark, so, not going to happen. No one owes me an Eric because I didn`t buy him when he came out, or should reduce the price because I can`t afford him. The ones that do own one, you made a good choice, good for you!
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    The same thing happens with any kind of collecting,be it 1/6th stuff or guns and ammo, a couple years ago you couldn't find .22 LR anywheres, so the people that did have a big stash were selling it for totally stupid prices, and people were paying it,but you always had that person who thought the people selling it should sell it to them for what they paid for it. Some people are never satisfied unless they are the ones getting the good deal.

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Being an "old guy", I find the generational blaming not only highly suspicious, and overgeneralized, but not relevant to this discussion. Good and poor behaviors transcend age, gender, ethnicity, nationality, religion, and politics, in my experience. As a part of our forum, members of various age groups deserve as much respect as everyone else. Otherwise, it's a worse characteristic than any jealousy, envy, or anger.

    All of the above of course, being the real world bleeding over into our small world here.
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by pukingdog View Post
    Being an "old guy", I find the generational blaming not only highly suspicious, and overgeneralized, but not relevant to this discussion. Good and poor behaviors transcend age, gender, ethnicity, nationality, religion, and politics, in my experience. As a part of our forum, members of various age groups deserve as much respect as everyone else. Otherwise, it's a worse characteristic than any jealousy, envy, or anger.

    All of the above of course, being the real world bleeding over into our small world here.
    This^^^
    I agree it's not necessarily a generational thing. I've seen the same behavior from collectors that DFC described even back in the mid-90's, and not only in 1:6 but other collectibles in general.

    Based on my previous years of experience dealing in 1:6 items, I suspect DFC's buyer is neither 'envious' nor 'jealous'.

    It's quite obvious the buyer was simply 'hustling' for a cheaper deal.
    Beware of these drama queens, they get hostile and often try to question your prices using guilt-tactics.

    Once they got the item cheap, they'll turn around and sell it on EBay for 5x more.

    Stick to your guns, unless they offer an equal or better trade.

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