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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaForceChung View Post
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    It's human nature to be envious and jealous at times.

    The preceding is very applicable and true when it comes to the 1:6 hobby or any hobby.

    If you managed to procure a lot of 1:6 figures over the years at various prices ranging from bargain to whatever the MSRP was at the time, then you would price/sell them at whatever you deem appropriate or whatever you want knowing what you price them at may not appear attractive or reasonable to buyers because the unsaid motive for buyers is usually pay at little as possible because it's a buyer's market more or less . . . short of something that is really rare/special and very desired by collectors who know the rarity and value of the item.

    We've all been through this many times.

    Recently, I posted elsewhere a few 1:6 items that I have multiples of within my collection. The items are from 10 or more years ago. I don't need the money and not in any dire circumstances to must sell.

    I sold a few items and was satisfied with the $ made.

    I had one potential buyer express hostility towards me. The potential buyer felt my pricing was unfair by claiming to know what I supposedly paid and their going rates and felt my pricing mark up was unfair for new and old buyers who missed out on them many years back and I should sell them for X percentage and I need to consider passing "karma" by selling them at what I paid for or possibly less in terms of overall good will.

    My reply was simply, "Thank you for your consideration."

    I left it that.

    I wasn't irate/upset. If it was some years ago, I would have been, but why? I figured the potential buyer was envious/jealous and left it that.

    Why do some absolutely feel this way? Is it just pure pettiness or do they believe/feel their perspective is very valid?

    Some years back I had the good fortune of buying an obscene cache of boxed CY GIRL figures from a local retailer for unbelievable low price. I posted about it in a CY GIRL focused collector discussion group. I received a few message "demanding" I share in my good fortune for the price I paid or lower than what I paid as an obligation to the group.

    I did no such thing. I did sell off some figures I broke down for parts for around what I paid (i.e. parts I didn't need/want). I found out after the fact, some members of the group privately were "butt hurt" that I refused to share in my good fortune with them at my cost or loss just because.

    I feel like I've come full circle again in some respects. It's almost as if there is unsaid and unwritten rule you must sell at a loss and how dare you make a profit on a sale to a collector?

    Buying from our usual sources for the greatest and latest 1:6 offerings is stressful enough due to the high prices and such.

    Posting 1:6 stuff to sell to free up room in our 1:6 collection is already perplexing . . . especially those who are in a time and $ crunch for whatever reasons.

    Is envy/jealousy within the 1:6 hobby when it comes to selling still the same or has it gotten a bit more pointed?

    I think this applies to collecting action figures in general. The problem is that there are people out there who wants to low-ball anyone for anything to the point of taking advantage of a seller. As such, these individuals may get emotional if a seller would sell something that he or she had purchased for clearanced prices years before. It is unreasonable for them to get upset over since the item that was clearanced off may not naturally be accessible to them at the time.

    I know how you feel. A decade ago, I went to another toy forum and if I had extras or something I didn't want, I would sell my items at cost even if I bought it on clearance. For example, a Face-off Captain America vs Red Skull Marvel Legends set for 16 dollars even though at the time they were going for 30 dollars or more. At the time, I would ask the buyer if they were going to keep the items for themselves since I didn't want re-sellers to flip the item as I was selling my figures at cost, knowing how much they are truly worth; I wanted to help fellow collectors out.

    I adapted this gentlmen's agreement from He-man.org where the forum owner convinced Mattel to produce 200 additional Keldor figures for the forum members. He only asked for the people receiving the figures from him for 20 dollars a pop not to flip them resell them on ebay as they were going for 90 dollars at the time; I was so inspired of what he did because of how difficult it was 16 years ago to get a hold of SDCC items w/o going to SDCC.

    Even back then, I had no way of know to know if the buyer was telling the truth as the transactions were all through private messaging and most of the people who would pm me were lurkers who had just made an account just to make a purchase; I eventually adopted a minimal posting requirement. Eventually, one of the online forum members fromt he forum's chatroom said that I can't really tell the buyer that he can't re-sell the item right away since it would be his or her. That person was right. At the time I was going to sell him my Street Fighter SOTA Ken figure for 5 dollars (it went for at least 40 dollars loose). The transaction fell through as no money was exchanged and no one spoke of it further); this was an extra Ken I got from SOTA as both halves of the crotch pieces separated; it was not broken per se as the pegs that held them together were not broken off; the glue from the factory that held the pieces together wasn't strong enough.

    When I went to the chatroom in the forums later on, the buyer kept saying random cuss words. I didn't realize why until later on that he must have been upset and the cuss words were towards me because that I didn't sell him the Ken figure. This was the last I seen of him. I previously sold him a Resaurus Tyrant loose for five dollars, which the going rate was 30 loose; it is currently going for 20 dollars on ebay. This realization had me realize that I should stop selling figures at cost especially since the figures I would sell were no longer sold at retails for years and were of demand. I initially sold them at cost since I was afraid of being labelled a "scalper". However, I soon realized that it is perfectly fine to sell the items for the going rate (though I tend to go a few dollars cheaper; I now use ebay to sell) since I had such figures in my posession for years and when I had them, I didn't plan to re-sell them.

    On a somewhat unrelated note, I remember buying a Marvel Legends Tygra at cost from another individual at the same forum via; even though at the time, the figure wasn't discontinued, it was hard-to-find; I needed her in my collection as I never seen her at retail. Another forum member tried to buy the same item weeks after I bought it - the seller forgot to change the status of the item and informed the person interested in buying it that he sold it. The person who wanted to buy the item then made a comment on his buy/sell trade something to the likes of "Thanks for nothing. If you don't have the item, don't list it." I felt guilty since I bought the item weeks before.

    I also know how you were mistreated by other users on the Cy Girl orientated group you speak of (as I was a member there as well). I remember it quite well since I was new to the forum, and I also frequented the chatroom there aswell. At the time, I was young and naive (I don't think I was in my twenties at the time), so I didn't know any better and most people gossip about you on the chat saying that you had a ton of rare Cy Girl figures unwilling to share. The funny thing is that I was new to collecting Cy Girl figures, which was very late into the line - it was when Electra was released, and the ones I had gotten on my own were not hard. I ended up getting Ray, Ice (game exclusive), etc. at normal online prices such as hlj.com ncsx.com so I wasn't jealous. The point of all this is that I was a dick to you (I posted a satricial poem about you on the forum, which you were aware of) because of what others said about you at the time. I apologize for it. Eventually, when I came to the boards here years later, I came to the realization that the majority of the individuals on that forum were jealous of you and a lot of the hate wasn't warranted. For those who weren't aware, people who were jealous of Delta where his age group and up. That said, thinking that was the younger generation that were jealous of Delta is incorrect.

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    DoomSaber:

    We all (more or less) were dicks in one way or another . . . due to youth.

    We all learn things the "hard way", but in the end and nowadays we look back and realize how silly we were then and how we matured (hopefully) now and believe it or not . . . not hold a grudge or hard feelings.

    That's that.

    Of course, I do hold a grudge for some because I remember, but not you.



    It's all in the past and it's all good brother.

    In some awkward and odd way, I find "friends" who I previously didn't get along with but get along with nowadays to be somewhat more understanding and respectful of one another because if you can't hash out disagreements and manage to learn and see one another from a different perspective, then what is the point?

    I hope this makes sense.
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    I'm jealous and envious of anyone who can always afford to buy brand name head sculpts and a new Phicen figure each month!
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    It's a very, very Mad World."

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Exactly. And that prospective buyer wanted you to be a socialist.

    It is just economics 101. It's funny, collecting items preserves things that over time get damaged or thrown away, hence increases said things rarity. Therefore, supply of said thing goes down, hence increasing its value. If the said thing also has high popularity and demand increases, the value increases even more. Where supply and demand meet is the equilibrium price that the market is willing to pay for said thing. Prices too high don't sell, prices too low don't last long. The capitalistic model is what provides us with the incentive to create such fantastic things in the first place. So, anyone who wants prices to be fixed low won't even have the opportunity to find a rare item because no one would sell. In a socialist market, all our 1/6 toys would look the same and we would all be bored and stop collecting. Lol. Econ lesson of the day.

    Quote Originally Posted by CobraTrooper11 View Post
    it's called your being a capitalist...plain and simple. if he doesn't want to pay your prices he doesn't have to. he just wont get what he wanted from you. i think you handled the situation well, based on what you said.

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    can someone just by my stuff on ebay

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Spidey2017 View Post
    It's funny, collecting items preserves things that over time get damaged or thrown away, hence increases said things rarity. Therefore, supply of said thing goes down, hence increasing its value. If the said thing also has high popularity and demand increases, the value increases even more. Where supply and demand meet is the equilibrium price that the market is willing to pay for said thing. Prices too high don't sell, prices too low don't last long. The capitalistic model is what provides us with the incentive to create such fantastic things in the first place. So, anyone who wants prices to be fixed low won't even have the opportunity to find a rare item because no one would sell. In a socialist market, all our 1/6 toys would look the same and we would all be bored and stop collecting
    All true....except for the old adage....."anything is only worth as much as people are willing to pay".....
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Agree, recently, main rule of many OFFERS (not DEALS) is one emotional word - "WANT" without any corellation with market's medium prices. LOL
    That is the value of particular item (or set).
    On the other hand, shipping cost was supposed to be the same (for particular weight) for different transaction in global market, but it is not.
    It is wonderfull!

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    Someone brought up how mindsets have changed on things like music, books and films, and how people now think these things should be 'free' or very low cost (although they're really not). Without projecting any judgement as it's just an objective product of societal change, there is a generational difference in this in regard to paying for intellectual property. I grew up expecting to pay for these types of things or anything created whether a physical object or not. 1/6 still uses this old model (although with lots of knock offs and IP infringements) and will continue to because it's a tangible object...well at least until 3-D printers improve, and people can pirate and share the patterns. When that happens, the paradigms will shift, and someone will find a way to profit in the new structure. Nothing is free. It's a shell game.

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    Until there are 3D colour printers able to produce realistic headsculpts there will always be a work for head painters, so at least they are secure.

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    3-D printing is still too expensive for home use as well. Looked at one recently for about £3000, a Polaroid, that made Lego-like solid coloured objects. It reminded me of that hard shatter-prone plastic you see in cheap toys.

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    It's obvious (to me) that the OP just thinks (or hopes) that people are jealous of his figures!
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by onesixthpolice View Post
    It's obvious (to me) that the OP just thinks (or hopes) that people are jealous of his figures!
    Well that took a long while onesixthpolice , we all starting to worry...

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by SPEARHEAD View Post
    Well that took a long while onesixthpolice , we all starting to worry...
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    Yeah.

    Me too.

    I guess he's not as swift with a quip as he used to be.
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaForceChung View Post
    See subject.

    It's human nature to be envious and jealous at times.

    The preceding is very applicable and true when it comes to the 1:6 hobby or any hobby.

    If you managed to procure a lot of 1:6 figures over the years at various prices ranging from bargain to whatever the MSRP was at the time, then you would price/sell them at whatever you deem appropriate or whatever you want knowing what you price them at may not appear attractive or reasonable to buyers because the unsaid motive for buyers is usually pay at little as possible because it's a buyer's market more or less . . . short of something that is really rare/special and very desired by collectors who know the rarity and value of the item.

    We've all been through this many times.

    Recently, I posted elsewhere a few 1:6 items that I have multiples of within my collection. The items are from 10 or more years ago. I don't need the money and not in any dire circumstances to must sell.

    I sold a few items and was satisfied with the $ made.

    I had one potential buyer express hostility towards me. The potential buyer felt my pricing was unfair by claiming to know what I supposedly paid and their going rates and felt my pricing mark up was unfair for new and old buyers who missed out on them many years back and I should sell them for X percentage and I need to consider passing "karma" by selling them at what I paid for or possibly less in terms of overall good will.

    My reply was simply, "Thank you for your consideration."

    I left it that.

    I wasn't irate/upset. If it was some years ago, I would have been, but why? I figured the potential buyer was envious/jealous and left it that.

    Why do some absolutely feel this way? Is it just pure pettiness or do they believe/feel their perspective is very valid?

    Some years back I had the good fortune of buying an obscene cache of boxed CY GIRL figures from a local retailer for unbelievable low price. I posted about it in a CY GIRL focused collector discussion group. I received a few message "demanding" I share in my good fortune for the price I paid or lower than what I paid as an obligation to the group.

    I did no such thing. I did sell off some figures I broke down for parts for around what I paid (i.e. parts I didn't need/want). I found out after the fact, some members of the group privately were "butt hurt" that I refused to share in my good fortune with them at my cost or loss just because.

    I feel like I've come full circle again in some respects. It's almost as if there is unsaid and unwritten rule you must sell at a loss and how dare you make a profit on a sale to a collector?

    Buying from our usual sources for the greatest and latest 1:6 offerings is stressful enough due to the high prices and such.

    Posting 1:6 stuff to sell to free up room in our 1:6 collection is already perplexing . . . especially those who are in a time and $ crunch for whatever reasons.

    Is envy/jealousy within the 1:6 hobby when it comes to selling still the same or has it gotten a bit more pointed?
    Yes, I think there is some envy and jealousy in the hobby, and I hope it's not getting worse, but I don't think that's why this cheapskate tried to get something cheap. He just wanted a deal, period. Some people just want to feel like they negotiated a better price. I know some guys that will price a $10 item at $12, KNOWING somebody will offer $10. So they get the $10 they wanted, and the buyer thinks they got a deal out of the seller.
    The internet makes it easier for these guys to try and bully sellers into cutting them a break, as opposed to actually standing in front of you and trying to tell you they know what you paid and how you need to be a good guy by cutting the price.

    It doesn't matter what you paid and when. You have it, they want it. This guy apparently didn't want it enough to pay your price, but felt compelled to let you know. Maybe he had a chance to buy it 10 years ago and didn't, now wants it and can't believe the price has gone up. This could be the case for many slimier situations.

    As for selling to collectors versus dealers, it depends on the item and their attitude. I know I've gotten better prices because the seller knew I'm a collector, and wasn't just going to take the good price he gave me and flip it into a bigger profit. Someone that would appreciate it and not see it as dollar signs.
    And as a seller, I wish the things I sold went to collectors that needed them and were going to keep them, but I have little control over that.

    I see the comments about this "you owe me" trend as a modern mind set. It is a popular way of thinking, but that's a commentary on society in general. Real life bleeds into 1/6, sure, however like I said, that isn't what this is.
    As PD mentioned, this has nothing to do with old or young. It's been going on for years and years. As long as I can remember, there have been "wheeler-dealers" looking to save a couple bucks. I've seen people drive many MILES out of their way just to save $10 on an item (dumb, I know, but they did it). I've seen and received some pretty insulting offers on items. It doesn't bother me. It's their loss, because I simply sell the item to someone else.
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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Someday I'm going to die and my wife will liquidate " those stupid toys " ( though my stuff will be practically worthless since NOTHING stays in a box. ) She may even just dump the whole batch at the Rescue Mission. Perhaps a new 1/6 enthusiast will be born that day, or a current one will score a bunch of figures and gear.
    Luckily for me, people die every day and leave behind "valuable collections" their heirs couldn't give two squirts about. ALWAYS stop at garage sales, you never know what people are getting rid of due to lost interest, death, etc.
    No collector ( of anything ) I know of has ever lived long enough to receive the huge payoff they imagine their stuff is worth. If any of you feel your collections are being viewed with " jealousy" , I STRONGLY suggest you make LEGAL arrangements to transfer your goodies to someone who has the same view of them that you do after your death. Otherwise, someone like me will probably wind up buying them for LESS that what you paid, rip open all the boxes with a complete lack of care or reverence and ( horrors! ) play with the damn things.
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    Been there myself, way back when the Classic Collection GI Joes started I was making regular runs from my Job in NC to visit my folks in SC and a regular pit stop was the Target in Myrtle Beach as it was about the halfway point, I was checking out the newest Joes and found only empty shelves so I asked a customer rep if there was any back stage she checked the computer, frowned , and said, I'll be right back. She came back with a case of six, 2 each of the U.S. Army Tank Commander, U.S. Marine Corps Sniper and French Foreign Legion. This was when the next wave hit and for some reason they had been sitting in the back so given Targets mark down model back then, they rang up as 6.88 versus the full 24.95 they regularly sold for... So I grabbed 1 of each and left the rest for some other lucky collector. My mistake was reporting this in the Sandbox (Alt.toys.GI-joe newsgroup) and a certain member told me I needed to get back in my car and drive 3 hours back to MB and purchase them for him.... I just laughed it off but Chung is right about envious people that can't stand someone finding a bargain. Case in point, years later when Dreams and Visions were liquidating the Sgt Rock figures at Tuesday mornings, I got a complete set as they were stocking the shelves, lo and behold the case also held 2 Blackhawk figures (just the figure in a small box not the big figure and uniform set) reporting that got me branded a liar even after posting pictures until Scott Beckman asked the owner about it. Long story short, some temp they hired to pack up and ship the merch to Tuesday Mornings ran out of Sgt rock figures and grabbed the blackhawks to round off a case.... I was told I needed to sell one of those at cost too.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott.45 View Post
    Been there myself, way back when the Classic Collection GI Joes started I was making regular runs from my Job in NC to visit my folks in SC and a regular pit stop was the Target in Myrtle Beach as it was about the halfway point, I was checking out the newest Joes and found only empty shelves so I asked a customer rep if there was any back stage she checked the computer, frowned , and said, I'll be right back. She came back with a case of six, 2 each of the U.S. Army Tank Commander, U.S. Marine Corps Sniper and French Foreign Legion. This was when the next wave hit and for some reason they had been sitting in the back so given Targets mark down model back then, they rang up as 6.88 versus the full 24.95 they regularly sold for... So I grabbed 1 of each and left the rest for some other lucky collector. My mistake was reporting this in the Sandbox (Alt.toys.GI-joe newsgroup) and a certain member told me I needed to get back in my car and drive 3 hours back to MB and purchase them for him.... I just laughed it off but Chung is right about envious people that can't stand someone finding a bargain. Case in point, years later when Dreams and Visions were liquidating the Sgt Rock figures at Tuesday mornings, I got a complete set as they were stocking the shelves, lo and behold the case also held 2 Blackhawk figures (just the figure in a small box not the big figure and uniform set) reporting that got me branded a liar even after posting pictures until Scott Beckman asked the owner about it. Long story short, some temp they hired to pack up and ship the merch to Tuesday Mornings ran out of Sgt rock figures and grabbed the blackhawks to round off a case.... I was told I needed to sell one of those at cost too.....
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    I don't think so, one was from CA the other was the guy that got the cat head.....

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    Re: The unsaid realities of 1:6 collecting envy/jealousy . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Pontiacivan View Post
    Someday I'm going to die and my wife will liquidate " those stupid toys " ( though my stuff will be practically worthless since NOTHING stays in a box. ) She may even just dump the whole batch at the Rescue Mission. Perhaps a new 1/6 enthusiast will be born that day, or a current one will score a bunch of figures and gear.
    Luckily for me, people die every day and leave behind "valuable collections" their heirs couldn't give two squirts about. ALWAYS stop at garage sales, you never know what people are getting rid of due to lost interest, death, etc.
    No collector ( of anything ) I know of has ever lived long enough to receive the huge payoff they imagine their stuff is worth. If any of you feel your collections are being viewed with " jealousy" , I STRONGLY suggest you make LEGAL arrangements to transfer your goodies to someone who has the same view of them that you do after your death. Otherwise, someone like me will probably wind up buying them for LESS that what you paid, rip open all the boxes with a complete lack of care or reverence and ( horrors! ) play with the damn things.
    Allow me to reemphasize that people should make LEGAL arrangements concerning your collections if there is any doubt as to where your collection will end up should something happen to you. I can't tell you how many stories I've heard in my 20+ years in this hobby of collections being dumped/given off/cheaply and quickly sold, etc, by family members that either didn't know or didn't care. Sometimes pieces will flat out be stolen by "helping friends" who are in the house before the body is cold.
    I've bought items that came out of collections that, after the owner had spent YEARS acquiring, were scattered to the wind.

    I've also seen many cases where, knowing what the fate of collections will probably be, guys will sell everything themselves.
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