Re: Is it now forbidden to discuss controversial figures on OSW?
Wow, in a thread about controversial figure discussion, people still can't control themselves. Either they feel what they're saying is allowed, or they just don't care for rules. Me? I'm just trying to walk lightly, not make waves and lend my opinion and wisdom to this thread.
We have to remember the very subject matter; presidents. No matter what side you're on, no matter how good/bad/ugly you think the person is, there are people that love 'em and those that hate 'em. DiD must think this figure will sell and make them money, but HAVE to know that it will be viewed as controversial, and generate "buzz" about their product. Maybe that's why the hesitation on this figure. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think as Presidents, their image is public domain(?). And the admins/mods respond to replies in these threads, not the mention of a new figure. So keep your thoughts on the PERSON off the board.
Sure, if all these threads would stay on topic about the FIGURE, they would still be there. It seems someone inevitably says something that someone else takes the wrong way, so they respond. Then it snowballs from there. Sometimes it's just in the interpretation of a comment. And when a mod/admin interpret a breech of the rules, they swing into action like Spider-Man.
This last election, for example, was intense (for lack of a better word). People got worked up, and if they read something on their favorite message board that they think is directed at their candidate, they may feel the need to shoot back. Meanwhile the rest of us trying to read about a new figure get caught in the crossfire.
As for controversial figures in general, just remember that even if somebody posted a new or custom figure of the Pope, SOMEBODY would say something the mods would have to deal with. It's just how people are. Something you might think is the best ever, someone else wouldn't own if you paid them. To quote Gen. Patton "If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." If we all only bought one kind of figure, what kind of hobby would this be?
There is a difference, IMHO, between historical figures and current leaders of nations (I didn't see much comment about the Putin figure someone [DiD?] made, maybe I missed it). If some company made a Hitler figure in the 1940's, I REALLY think a lot of people would have had a problem with it. But today, it's a "historical" figure. NO, I'm not comparing ANYONE to Hitler. Just an example that everyone familiar with history would understand. If you buy a WWII Nazi German figure, it doesn't mean anything. If you start posting that you support their world views, not allowed.
The idea of just an "announcement" only type area is one I like. We do have the "Front Page News" area. This is a discussion forum about the hobby, which includes new items. People come here to get the latest news and information about up-coming products. Simply letting people know of something new isn't favoring or advertising as much as it is informing the community. Newspapers, magazines, etc do it. If the Admins feel pictures would cause trouble, just have links.
I think PD is right; if you want to talk politics go somewhere else. If you want to say "the paint job on that figure is bad", that's one thing. If you want to say "that person is a lying brassard", keep walking.
I can see why mods/admins would delete threads, because it get's tiresome having to explain the difference all the time.
And there is a double standard.
For those that missed it, no, it's not forbidden to discuss controversial figures.......FIGURES! It's always been forbidden to talk about the people, as some have found the hard way.
Just stay ON TOPIC. It's not that hard. If DFC can do it, anyone can.
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